I'm sorry. You were going to ask me to choose, right? Did you want to finish?

Zoe ,'War Stories'


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Jars - Feb 15, 2005 9:10:01 am PST #5994 of 10000

I don't think at the time it actually had jack to do with anything but Ethan making him feel like a useless fuck-up.

I thought the point of the episode was to show that Charlie had changed; he's all growed up. Admittedly, they did it in kind of a ham-fisted fashion, but it's not the first time a Charlie storyline has had a whiff of the anvil about it.

Plus I tend to give Charlie a lot of leeway. He's just so darned cute.


Jessica - Feb 15, 2005 9:13:44 am PST #5995 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I thought the point of the episode was to show that Charlie had changed; he's all growed up.

Huh -- I thought exactly the opposite. In both cases, his intentions were to protect and take care of the girl he liked (neither of whom had indicated in any way that they needed or wanted to be taken care of). In the first case, he failed spectacularly, and in the second, he succeeded by accident. Where's the maturity?


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 15, 2005 9:30:14 am PST #5996 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

That's my read of it too, Jessica. While his actions may have worked out to the same end that a practical, detached view would have called for, his actual thought process (if he could be said to be thinking at all rather than letting his emotions run rampant) was anything but.


Jars - Feb 15, 2005 9:44:03 am PST #5997 of 10000

In the first case, he failed spectacularly, and in the second, he succeeded by accident. Where's the maturity?

Yeah, this is what I meant. I think the intention was to show that Charlie had matured from the flashback, where he was completely useless, more or less, to the present, where he takes some affirmative action. I just don't think it came across as that very well. It may not have been the intention at all, but that's the feeling I got. So we get a Charlie who associates protecting and providing for the wimmin folk with maturity. Which leaves me asking more questions than it answers, really.


Allyson - Feb 15, 2005 9:50:43 am PST #5998 of 10000
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Jessica, got the package. Thank you so much! Please pass on my big thanks to DH, too.


le nubian - Feb 15, 2005 10:08:03 am PST #5999 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I actually think Charlie may be a dangerous person on the island, but Boone has so far PROVEN himself to be a dangerous person. Get me the fuck away from Boone and Locke.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 15, 2005 10:12:18 am PST #6000 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I hope Locke catches Boone at his next major fuckup, and, shall we say, chastises him harshly.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 15, 2005 10:14:15 am PST #6001 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Please tell me that euphemism wouldn't involve bowmp-chicka-wa-wa music.


brenda m - Feb 15, 2005 10:14:18 am PST #6002 of 10000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Eh, I think Locke's been doing a pretty decent job of building his own fanatical minion there, and any fuck-ups will just be used to pull the strings a little tighter.

And let me say that I'm finding the whole Locke and Boone thing fascinating, and I'm more interested in both characters than I was before.

Please tell me that euphemism wouldn't involve bowmp-chicka-wa-wa music.

Hee. Notice how I carefully did not use a / in the above sentence.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 15, 2005 10:23:20 am PST #6003 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Please tell me that euphemism wouldn't involve bowmp-chicka-wa-wa music.

No, more along the lines of the whoosh of a thrown knife. I'm hoping the screwup is more along the lines that it negates his minion value. Given that Boone also knows about the hatch, I don't think Locke would hesitate to take him out if he thought he was a liability.