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Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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brenda m - Jan 20, 2005 9:42:47 am PST #5246 of 10000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Note that he was on a payphone calling her, and even before he heart Bryan in the background he reacted badly to her suggestion that she called him back. Fighting a custody battle when the child is an ocean away and you have no regular support and are now injured and probably unable to work for a while? Caving on ceding the parental rights is a dicier issue, though.


Nutty - Jan 20, 2005 9:43:44 am PST #5247 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

for Michael, I think the dealbreaker was his accident. No way could he have afforded those bills.

So the question is, could he have sued the taxi for bills associated with running him over? If he was run over during Giuliani's administration, probably no, considering he was jaywalking. Stupid Giuliani.

I think the real point is that he didn't have any idea how to react to each successive step. So when she arrived at the hospital to buy him off, he was more like, "Oh. This is the culmination of your evil plan," and realized he had no options. (I don't think she really had an evil plan, but in a plan-off, she beats him hands down.)


le nubian - Jan 20, 2005 9:46:34 am PST #5248 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I disagree. I think she clearly had a plan to cut Michael out. She insisted that the child have her last name, she wasn't interested in marrying Michael and she clearly thought him a source of poor financial support.

To me, the worst thing is that she didn't seem to care a lot about Walt. He was yelling for her attention, she MADE her husband adopt Walt. Crazy.

I don't like her.


Steph L. - Jan 20, 2005 9:56:48 am PST #5249 of 10000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

This conversation is reminding me of something I meant to post a while ago. So far, I don't see if/how this ties into the whole Island of Mystery thing, but it seems like most, if not all, of the castaways (okay, the main cast, at least, from which I exclude Scott, Steve, and Rose) have one thing in common -- they were all screwed over by someone, which led to them being on the Flight O' Doom.

Kate -- farmer guy turned her in
Locke -- wasn't allowed on the Outward Bound trip
Claire -- (1) jilted by her babydaddy, and (2) some sort of weird mojo with the psychic
Michael -- selfish fucked-up babymama
Boone -- Shannon's scam (and she, in turn, therefore, screwed herself over)
Sayid -- errr, I actually can't remember his backstory, oops
Sawyer -- he's kind of the inverse of this; he spent a chunk of his life screwing other people over, and at the end screwed himself over by not going through with the scam
Charlie -- NSM, though he probably *felt* screwed over by his brother when he refused to get the band back together
Sun and Jin -- NSM, really, though Sun was planning to screw Jin over by walking away, but then she couldn't
Hurley -- don't know his backstory at all

And Jack -- unless you consider that his dad, by killing himself, screwed Jack out of the chance to play the hero, Jack doesn't fit into my pattern very well.

What might it all mean? Probably fuck-all. But interesting.


beathen - Jan 20, 2005 9:59:13 am PST #5250 of 10000
Sure I went over to the Dark Side, but just to pick up a few things.

Sayid -- errr, I actually can't remember his backstory, oops

He helped Nadia escape from the Iraqi prison & firing squad, and in the process shot his friend Omar. So I guess you could say Nadia screwed him over because she wouldn't talk about the bombing.


Dana - Jan 20, 2005 10:00:19 am PST #5251 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

We still don't know why Sawyer and Sayid were on the plane. Despite his appearance in the police station, Sawyer clearly wasn't being extradited.


Steph L. - Jan 20, 2005 10:01:16 am PST #5252 of 10000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

A lesser common thread I see, which isn't present in all the characters, AFAIK, is Parent-Child Issues.

Michael & Walt, Claire & baby, Jack & Dad, Sun & Korean mafia Dad, Sawyer & the long-ago scam on his family.

Again, does it mean anything? Doubtful. But still interesting.


Jessica - Jan 20, 2005 10:01:24 am PST #5253 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Sayid -- errr, I actually can't remember his backstory, oops

His backstory ep didn't get to the part where he ends up in Sydney.


Jessica - Jan 20, 2005 10:02:40 am PST #5254 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Again, does it mean anything? Doubtful. But still interesting.

It means that JJA is chock full of daddy/parent issues. (See also, Alias.)


Steph L. - Jan 20, 2005 10:02:55 am PST #5255 of 10000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Sayid -- errr, I actually can't remember his backstory, oops

His backstory ep didn't get to the part where he ends up in Sydney.

That's right. Okay, I feel better.

Sawyer I always assumed was on the plane to flee someone who was chasing him on a bicycle, yelling "I want my two dollars!"