Spike? It's you. It's really you! My therapist thought I was holding on to false hope, but…I knew you'd come back. You're like…you're like Gandalf the White, resurrected from the pit of the Balrog, more beautiful than ever. Oh…he's alive Frodo. He's alive.

Andrew ,'Damage'


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Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 24, 2004 12:40:22 pm PST #3034 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

From what I've heard, smack withdrawal is rough for a few days (Charlie should be pining for a pair or two of unsoiled jeans in his size now), but then basically over, and it's nowhere near as difficult as alcohol withdrawal. He'd still be psychologically addicted, but not suffering physical withdrawal. And since we haven't (yet) run into a field of poppies, symptoms shouldn't recur while on the island.


JenP - Nov 24, 2004 12:43:14 pm PST #3035 of 10000

I have little of Jen's hope that his sudden turnaround was anything other than the writers mining his torture for sympathy before trying to make the character a snarky heartthrob in the fashion of daytime soap rapists.

I suspect you are correct, though I shall continue to dream. I am actually disturbingly good at ignoring turns I don't like in favor of my own interpretation.

Couldn't agree more with your issues re: Jack and the torture. More likely futile hope... they'll deal with that at a later date.

Here's what's been bugging me, and I apologize if I missed the discussion earlier, but... Why did Sawyer not give it up and admit he didn't have the inhalers before he got pieces of wood jammed under his fingernails? I mean, my "Yeah, screw you and the horse you rode in on," attitude of defiance would stop well short of torture if it came to something as ordinary (though certainly important; breathing is good) as "Do you have an inhaler for the asthmatic, or don't you?" It seemed anti-self-serving, so I don't get the motivation for the character.

I suspect the writers were trying to get at Sawyer having something to prove by keeping silent, but it's lost on me. (Did I just write "lost on me"? That's so sad.) I mean, yeah, if people are unjustly persecuting you for something significant, ideally you hold your ground and you buck up as best you can, right? But this? This was not that.


§ ita § - Nov 24, 2004 12:44:32 pm PST #3036 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It seemed anti-self-serving, so I don't get the motivation for the character.

He was being Faith, and exacting penance from people who didn't know what game they were playing. He's not only self-serving, he's self-destructive (within limits).


JenP - Nov 24, 2004 12:49:52 pm PST #3037 of 10000

Oh. Huh. OK, actually I do remember reading something about that in previous posts, but I'd forgotten (the Faith comparison). It's too fast for me to buy it from him. Which is not to say that that's not what the writers intended, what with the relenting on scamming the parents of the kid who reminded him of himself. That one moment of opting out of a scam didn't make me think he'd change his ways or even want to try to in any significant way. Or feel awful enough so as to want others to womp on him for it. Faith earned my understanding. No one on the island has made enough of an impression to earn that kind of understanding from me yet. So there, islanders.

ETA: except for Charlie, because, well, what's not to love and understand? Cutie head.


§ ita § - Nov 24, 2004 12:52:36 pm PST #3038 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just see it as redemption by numbers, and am disappointed (hoping to be proved wrong) in the idea.


JenP - Nov 24, 2004 12:56:26 pm PST #3039 of 10000

I think I'm agreeing with you, and I find it a little sad, too (the area of agreement, not the fact of agreeing).


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 24, 2004 12:59:24 pm PST #3040 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I do still have some faint hope that Kate, despite being an apparently nice person, is actually guilty of some horrific crime that would have everyone who hears about it (including Sawyer) recoiling in shock. And I don't mean justifiable abused wife Burning Bed scenarios either, but something she made a cold-blooded decision to do no matter how much it hurt whoever.


§ ita § - Nov 24, 2004 1:02:08 pm PST #3041 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I want Hurley to be evil, myself.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 24, 2004 1:07:13 pm PST #3042 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

That would be incredibly cool.

Or maybe Claire could be. Just imagine:

CHARLIE: You never did say much about your baby's father. What's his name?
CLAIRE (cheerfully): Satan!


Scrappy - Nov 24, 2004 1:13:03 pm PST #3043 of 10000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Sawyer reminds me of a guy Peter Berg told a story about on "Dinner For Five", a friend with, as he put it, authority issues. They were on location in South America and were stopped by bandits who made them get out of their cars and held them up at gunpoint. His friend refused to put his hands up when told, because he didn't want to do what they told him, even though he could have gotten himself and his friends killed. Berg said he and all the other guys were hissing and swearing at the guy to do what the guys with automatic weapons pointed at them said, but he didn't want "To give them the satisfaction." He finally put his hands up..about halfway.

For some guys, death or pain is less important than feeling in control, even if that feeling is not based in reality.