I'm going to see to Wesley, see if he's still whimpering.

Giles ,'Chosen'


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JenP - Nov 24, 2004 12:49:52 pm PST #3037 of 10000

Oh. Huh. OK, actually I do remember reading something about that in previous posts, but I'd forgotten (the Faith comparison). It's too fast for me to buy it from him. Which is not to say that that's not what the writers intended, what with the relenting on scamming the parents of the kid who reminded him of himself. That one moment of opting out of a scam didn't make me think he'd change his ways or even want to try to in any significant way. Or feel awful enough so as to want others to womp on him for it. Faith earned my understanding. No one on the island has made enough of an impression to earn that kind of understanding from me yet. So there, islanders.

ETA: except for Charlie, because, well, what's not to love and understand? Cutie head.


§ ita § - Nov 24, 2004 12:52:36 pm PST #3038 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just see it as redemption by numbers, and am disappointed (hoping to be proved wrong) in the idea.


JenP - Nov 24, 2004 12:56:26 pm PST #3039 of 10000

I think I'm agreeing with you, and I find it a little sad, too (the area of agreement, not the fact of agreeing).


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 24, 2004 12:59:24 pm PST #3040 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I do still have some faint hope that Kate, despite being an apparently nice person, is actually guilty of some horrific crime that would have everyone who hears about it (including Sawyer) recoiling in shock. And I don't mean justifiable abused wife Burning Bed scenarios either, but something she made a cold-blooded decision to do no matter how much it hurt whoever.


§ ita § - Nov 24, 2004 1:02:08 pm PST #3041 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I want Hurley to be evil, myself.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 24, 2004 1:07:13 pm PST #3042 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

That would be incredibly cool.

Or maybe Claire could be. Just imagine:

CHARLIE: You never did say much about your baby's father. What's his name?
CLAIRE (cheerfully): Satan!


Scrappy - Nov 24, 2004 1:13:03 pm PST #3043 of 10000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Sawyer reminds me of a guy Peter Berg told a story about on "Dinner For Five", a friend with, as he put it, authority issues. They were on location in South America and were stopped by bandits who made them get out of their cars and held them up at gunpoint. His friend refused to put his hands up when told, because he didn't want to do what they told him, even though he could have gotten himself and his friends killed. Berg said he and all the other guys were hissing and swearing at the guy to do what the guys with automatic weapons pointed at them said, but he didn't want "To give them the satisfaction." He finally put his hands up..about halfway.

For some guys, death or pain is less important than feeling in control, even if that feeling is not based in reality.


§ ita § - Nov 24, 2004 1:14:47 pm PST #3044 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Evidence ita is a judgmental bitch:

They should have shot his ass. Just his, and left the rest of them alone.


Scrappy - Nov 24, 2004 1:15:57 pm PST #3045 of 10000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Yeah, ita, that's how I felt--that's why I remembered the story.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 24, 2004 1:29:12 pm PST #3046 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Well, maybe not should have, but he was a self preservation instinct-deprived fool for not assuming that they would. There are things worth dying for, but IMHO avoiding being bossed around to the extent of raising one's hands isn't one of them.