Hee.

Now do we know definitively that Walt had a Green Lantern comic printed in Spanish?

Hi Ling, the eaten comment was mine. I'm kind of sorry I was wrong. I liked it.

Now I'm wondering how Kate meant that.

If we look at Eve very simply, as she's presented in popular culture (which runs counter to what I'd prefer, since I tend to be an Eve apologist), Eve was the first sinner who got humanity kicked out of paradise, an evil-doer, leader into temptation, ruination of good. But that raises the question, does Kate see them as post or pre-fruit of knowledge? Post, Eve toils and suffers pain. Perhaps Kate equates civilization with God (fellowship/easier life)? Eve settled in and accepted her life of hardship, but Kate is determined to return to civilized life, not accept her destiny--

Or does Kate see the island as a return to an innocent time pre-civilization with its strictures of right and wrong, and doesn't want to be the person that a return to innocence (lack of knowledge of how the world works/her cynicism/her crime) would require her (at least in her own mind) to be?

I think I'm leaning toward the second. She doesn't want a return to paradise. It's not real and she's afraid she would lose her protective layer of cynicism and be betrayed or, being Eve, eventually betray.

That all makes Eve a pretty black and white character, but that doesn't mean that's not how Kate sees things. She may have a pretty clear mental line between good guys and bad guys and see herself on the wrong side of it, and Jack on the right side of it.

So, does that make her an anti-hero?

I had another idea. When Kate tackled Sawyer, he said something like, "I've been waiting four years for this." We've been wondering if he knew her before. What if, instead, he's been in prison for 4 years? What other things would keep a reasonably attractive man from being supine with a woman for 4 years?

It would be rather too simple a through-the-looking-glass sort of thing, if Kate (Alice?) is actually the most innocent person on the island, but it's an intriguing thought, to me.

I'm thinking too much again, aren't I?

I'm thinking too much again, aren't I?

Probably, but please don't stop!

I read her comment a little more simply; I thought she was saying she didn't want to be Eve to Jack's Adam, though that runs counter to her flirting with him earlier. But then she was kind of pissed at him for wanting to move to the caves in the first place, and for being so oblivious to her advances. Hmm. Maybe she wants the hot desert island monkey love, but isn't so keen on being the matriarch of a whole new society?

Actually, I think I like Deena's interpretation of that line much better.

I hought she just meant she doesn't want to end up on the island for life, dead and stuck on a rock shelf.

My read was like Robin's.

(And Happy Birthday Daniel! I hope you're out celebrating!)

Thanks, sumi.

No, not so much, sadly.

But I did burn the first six Lost episodes to CD...

Even if it's true that she said it because she doesn't want to end up dead on a rock shelf, or play Eve to Jack's Adam, it seems to me that the other is still valid, or at least informs her character somewhat (though probably less than I'm having fun surmising). I mean, she didn't say, "I don't want to play Blue Lagoon," and she didn't say, I don't want to be "Lucy" (aka famous fossil remains). Of course, that could just be because she doesn't watch cheesy movies with incest (or want to be so blatant as to put that in his head if he wasn't thinking it), and/or pay attention to anthropological discoveries. Eve is a more accessible symbol.

Eve is a more accessible symbol.

Also, it was previously referenced, by Locke.

she doesn't watch cheesy movies with incest

There was incest in Blue Lagoon?! What did I miss? Oh, wait...were they supposed to be cousins? You'd think I'd know -- I watched that damn movie about thirty bazillion times when I was an adolescent.

I believe they were cousins, and though that's not incest in some countries, the odd looks they got when they were recovered implied that their rescuers considered it incest. (On edit: I think the viewers were intended to see it that way.)

Nora, I missed that. What did he say?