Yes, as per my indented post. Sorry, I don't remember who said that first.

Yeah, I heard "Eve," too. Which I thought was interesting, because I couldn't decide if she thought that made Jack Adam, or that this "Eve" wound up dead.

Skipping waaaay back to something Hec posted: isn't interesting to think of how or why Hurley, if he is a Walmart or video store clerk or some such, winds up in Australia? Thus needing a flight back to the US A?

(And Happy Birthday Daniel! I hope you're out celebrating!)

I'm thinking he's coming back from an Australian SF con -- maybe he went as a DUFF winner (Down Under Fan Fund). That would explain why he came up with the dinosaur theory. The comic book that Walt found might be his, too....

I'm thinking he's coming back from an Australian SF con

I think this would make me indescribably happy, regardless of the rest of his story.

Hee.

Now do we know definitively that Walt had a Green Lantern comic printed in Spanish?

Hi Ling, the eaten comment was mine. I'm kind of sorry I was wrong. I liked it.

Now I'm wondering how Kate meant that.

If we look at Eve very simply, as she's presented in popular culture (which runs counter to what I'd prefer, since I tend to be an Eve apologist), Eve was the first sinner who got humanity kicked out of paradise, an evil-doer, leader into temptation, ruination of good. But that raises the question, does Kate see them as post or pre-fruit of knowledge? Post, Eve toils and suffers pain. Perhaps Kate equates civilization with God (fellowship/easier life)? Eve settled in and accepted her life of hardship, but Kate is determined to return to civilized life, not accept her destiny--

Or does Kate see the island as a return to an innocent time pre-civilization with its strictures of right and wrong, and doesn't want to be the person that a return to innocence (lack of knowledge of how the world works/her cynicism/her crime) would require her (at least in her own mind) to be?

I think I'm leaning toward the second. She doesn't want a return to paradise. It's not real and she's afraid she would lose her protective layer of cynicism and be betrayed or, being Eve, eventually betray.

That all makes Eve a pretty black and white character, but that doesn't mean that's not how Kate sees things. She may have a pretty clear mental line between good guys and bad guys and see herself on the wrong side of it, and Jack on the right side of it.

So, does that make her an anti-hero?

I had another idea. When Kate tackled Sawyer, he said something like, "I've been waiting four years for this." We've been wondering if he knew her before. What if, instead, he's been in prison for 4 years? What other things would keep a reasonably attractive man from being supine with a woman for 4 years?

It would be rather too simple a through-the-looking-glass sort of thing, if Kate (Alice?) is actually the most innocent person on the island, but it's an intriguing thought, to me.

I'm thinking too much again, aren't I?

I'm thinking too much again, aren't I?

Probably, but please don't stop!

I read her comment a little more simply; I thought she was saying she didn't want to be Eve to Jack's Adam, though that runs counter to her flirting with him earlier. But then she was kind of pissed at him for wanting to move to the caves in the first place, and for being so oblivious to her advances. Hmm. Maybe she wants the hot desert island monkey love, but isn't so keen on being the matriarch of a whole new society?

Actually, I think I like Deena's interpretation of that line much better.

I hought she just meant she doesn't want to end up on the island for life, dead and stuck on a rock shelf.

My read was like Robin's.