True, but the portrait wasn't moving, was it?
The portrait was asleep.
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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration
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Hil R. - Aug 08, 2005 4:32:11 pm PDT #1033 of 3301
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
Fred Pete - Aug 08, 2005 4:32:23 pm PDT #1034 of 3301
Ann, that's a ferret.
I have a hard time believing DD is alive, although it is possible.
JKR spent too much ink hammering it in that he'd dead, dead, dead. It would be too much of a cheat for him to be alive (though I can see him making a cameo appearance as a ghost or a talking portrait.)
Hil R. - Aug 08, 2005 4:34:48 pm PDT #1035 of 3301
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
Got the exact quote:
Dumbledore was slumbering in a golden frame over the desk, his half-moon spectacles perched upon his crooked nose, looking peaceful and untroubled.
billytea - Aug 08, 2005 4:35:24 pm PDT #1036 of 3301
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
Yeah, but it seems only fair for him to get a brief rest period, what with being killed and all.
"Dumbledore, you've just been blasted off the roof and into the afterlife by an Unspeakable Curse! What are you going to do next?" "I'm going to Disney World!"
DebetEsse - Aug 08, 2005 4:36:31 pm PDT #1037 of 3301
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Hey, the Monks downstairs apparently have quite the wine supply. I'd think that'd do in a pinch.
Trudy Booth - Aug 08, 2005 5:40:29 pm PDT #1038 of 3301
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
non-dead people move in pictures
I think dumbledore is dead, but I think there are legitimate reasons for him to be alive -- the helpfulness of going undercover, the silent curses, the incessant phoenix imagery, flying from the killing, curse, the offer to fake draco's death...
Fay - Aug 08, 2005 5:44:52 pm PDT #1039 of 3301
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
I think he's a goner. Pulling a Gandalf would be plausible, with all the phoenix imagery & so forth, but it would be such a cheat. And I don't think JKR lacks bottle to that degree - I think she's prepared to go the whole Mineare. I don't think Harry's going to die, but I've not ruled it out as a possibility. And I'm definitely feeling nervous for Snape. Think he'll maybe have a heroic death, but I wouldn't put it past JKR to give him a really annoying and pointless death ::cough::Sirius::cough::
Trudy Booth - Aug 08, 2005 5:46:59 pm PDT #1040 of 3301
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
I don't think its a cheat if its an elaborate set-up.
Fay - Aug 08, 2005 5:54:11 pm PDT #1041 of 3301
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Hmm.
I think that the mentor-losing thing is appropriate to the kind of story I perceive JKR to be putting together - if this is supposed to be a growing-to-manhood, rites-of-passage deal. Which is how I read it, at this point. And from Kenobi on back, it's a precedent which packs a lot of oomph. If we go for the Gandalf model - well, it's not without precedent, but it detracts from the rites of passage thing, I think. But it may be that it's what she's going for.
DebetEsse - Aug 08, 2005 5:55:56 pm PDT #1042 of 3301
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Some of it is the degree of set up. IMO, more of it is the emotional set-up and pay-off. Even if there's a deep technical explanation, if the result is an, "Oh, sorry about your emotional trauma, Harry. Not dead," it feels kinda ass-pull-y, even if it was built in from the get-go.
eta: the thing about Gandalf is that he is, but, he's kinda not, too. I mean, it's the same guy, but he's not the same as when he left. He achieved a higher level of wizard-ness, or whetever.