the gist of the above only works if the narration is absent

This is very true, and I really like the way you analyzed the point of BR. I think the voice-overs could be edited or modified to still give the Sam Spade feeling and not stomp all over the humanity question.

As for Batty's last act being saving a human life, I think it was. I mean no matter what Deckard is: Even if Deckard is a replicant, Batty may not have known that. He might've suspected, but either way Deckard was the Adversary. He wasn't part of Batty's tribe, wasn't part of the slave class the way all other replicants were. For Batty, Deckard represented human. And he saved him. And Deckard, who'd been used for years by humans, got saved by a replicant.

And the "tears in rain" speech never fails to make me cry. And I've never attended a funeral where I haven't thought of that speech.

I prefer BLADE RUNNER without the narration, but I'm not sure I would have gotten as much out of it seeing that version the first time. I saw the original, w/narration, happy ending, etc., in the theater, and the voice-over does tell you a few things you might not figure out the first time seeing it cold.

There may in fact, be no definitive version. The VHS of the narrated one had more graphic violence during the Tyrell, Zhara and Priss deaths (can't remember if the kept that in the "director's" cut - I use quotes, because Scott only let them call it that because he wanted it re-released, and would have preferred to add some other stuff, but the studio wouldn't pony up).

Jessica, re your whitefont, that's actually one of the 4? 5? things they kept from the book.

There's one particular story in the book where it comes into play (also the story that makes me disagree with the idea that this is how the "inevitable conclusion" would go down. I think the robots would try subterfuge and/or deception before all-out violence/revolution )

There may in fact, be no definitive version.

Pretty much. There are at least seven versions of Bladerunner, although most of the differences are minor. The video release used the international cut, which is why it's more violent. And then there are workprints and test-screening versions and it's all madness.

And yeah, Ford hates voiceovers in general, so he wasn't happy doing them. The one they finally used was also from the third time they'd rewritten and re-recorded the narration, so he was pretty well fed up by then. Personally, I like the noir-ness of it, too.

Diva! DavidS, have you read any of the books? They are remarkably strange. And kind of creepy.

Ugh. I just got home and turned on USA, as I often will, as I don't have digicable in here, and so I never know what's on, or even what channel is what, as I've moved into a new town. Usually by the time I get home USA is playing Law and Order:SVU reruns, so I just throw 'em on.

I've since looked this up on IMDB and have ascertained that what I'm watching is Species. All I know is that a much younger of the slutty girl from Dawson's Creek just started sprouting tentacles out of her face, and I'm horrified.

Hold me.

Gladly!

holds Lilty

If it's on USA, it probably cuts out all the fun sex, and the tongue-through-the-head. You're not getting the full Species experience.

Oooh! A Blade Runner discussion. Too bad I really need to get some sleep. I'll just add this point for now.

I prefer BLADE RUNNER without the narration, but I'm not sure I would have gotten as much out of it seeing that version the first time. I saw the original, w/narration, happy ending, etc., in the theater, and the voice-over does tell you a few things you might not figure out the first time seeing it cold.

This is me. I remember being blown away by the original version, then hearing about a version without the narration and a different ending, and wondering what that was like. Then, they realeased the "director's cut" in the late 80's (or early 90's, my memory is hazy), and when I saw that in the theaters, I distinctly remember thinking "I wish I could have seen this version first, just to evaluate it on its own merits".

You just can't unremember the information that was given in the narration, so it's impossible for me to know if there is enough information in the "director's cut" to thoroughly understand the movie. I also seem to remember more focus on the eyes in the re-released version, but that may be because I was paying more attention on the re-watch.

Ooh, you know, Blade Runner is one of those movies I've never seen and always meant to. Tell me which to watch! A special edition dvd? Show me the way!

it probably cuts out all the fun sex

Aww. As long as its regular fun sex, not some freaky tentacle sex.

and the tongue-through-the-head.

Eh, I think I'm good for now. The memory of Michelle Williams bumpy face did me in.

What the shit? Please tell me that's not Ben Kingsley.

ETA: Just saw a preview for The Village. What's Shyamalan's beef with red?

Please tell me that's not Ben Kingsley.

But I don't like lying.

But I don't like lying.

What the heck did they have on him?