Man, you think beard abrasions are bad...

so what were the filmmakers supposed to do?

Exactly. The fact that the movie got made at all amazes me (Don Cheadle on the Daily Show talked about how he probably wasn't going to get the role and Will Smith was because the director had been trying to get it made for 10 years and was going to do anything to get it made.)

that the actress who played Igrayne was the director John Boorman's daughter

His wife, so still a little on the creepy side, but a little less parentally so.

For true bug fuck creepiness, you need to see the movies that Dario Argento did with Asia. Yikes. Stendahl Syndrome is the only good one of the three, but also the most skeevy to watch. Actually now that I think about it, she was in four, but in PHENOMENA (aka CREEPERS) she was in mutant child makeup so I'm not sure it counts, although it is creepy (and what happens to his other daughter Fiore, and Daria Nioclodi, the mother of Asia, in that movie is pretty nasty too).

Am watching Stargate (the original movie). How much was the series based on the movie?

Very, as things go, tommyrot. A couple of the movie actors reprise their roles (Skaara and the Abydos patriarch).

Is the series good?

Damn, I just was thinking how much TV scifi I haven't watched....

Tommyrot, the series isn't brilliant television. It is, however, entertaining television. You won't find Buffy-caliber character development or plot twists. What you will find is some entertaining and likable characters, a really cool premise, some snark, and a lot of explosions.

If you want more information, try Katie's Stargate Primer here: [link] , which was just linked to by the Chicago Tribune, of all places. Our Katie is famous! It's a really funny overview of the show.

I went to see Ocean's Twelve today.

I walked out about 3/4 the way through it.

Also, there was some movie I saw on late-night USA years ago about a comet that caused a bunch of trucks at a rest stop to become sapient and they started killing their drivers. Still no singing and dancing.

Maximum Overdrive, one of many baaad S. King novel to movie attempts. With Emilio Esteves and Yeardly Smith in a minor role. Really, if I had a choice between that and Abyss with aliens, I'd take Abyss.

Also, anybody ever see a 70's flick called The Car? About a killer satanic car that terrorizes a small desert town... and kills and terrorizes some more.

Tom, my BF hated O12 as well, with a passion. I found it fluffy, meaningless fun. Not something I'd ever want to see again, but not painful. Maybe it's the high percentage of cute actors which made it acceptable to me.

I found it fluffy, meaningless fun.

That's exactly what I felt about O11.