Even though it was the same director making the movie, Eastern and Western styles of filmmaking are very different.

How different did he go on The Grudge ? He still filmed in Tokyo, right? Where did the Western influence come from? The actors? I don't understand why we would use this argument on The Grudge, when we tend to make a big deal about directors from other countries doing Hollywood movies (like, say, Cuaron doing HP3). I thought the appeal there was the fact that they were bringing their influence with them. In the case of The Grudge, I guess there might have been studio meddling, but I don't necessarily see how the same director remaking his movie would do things differently due to influence, especially when he's filming on his home turf.

Fire up the Attack Mooses, Sue. Mother Ceeb needs defending again.

I think the Canada Geese are in formation to dive bomb.

And I don't think he intended to personally insult anybody by making a generalization on 'mainstream' critics inability to enjoy some thinking movies.

See, to me it's not about whether he personally insulted me or Fone Bone or 5,000 lurking mainstream critics. I thought it was offensive in itself, as a generalized slam, and his apologizing to Jess without taking back the thrust of the statement bothered me. But I'm willing to drop it.

I think the Canada Geese are in formation to dive bomb.

Splendid. They don't say "like shit through a goose" for nothing.

I think the Canada Geese are in formation to dive bomb.

Oh, y'all act like we don't know about your plans for Canadian World Domination, but you forget that we Texans are sorta... uh... sorta smart-like with these rumors on the Internets.

Our sooper seekrit weapon is Celine Dion. She keeps churning out those songs that make you lose your will to live.

Our sooper seekrit weapon is Celine Dion. She keeps churning out those songs that make you lose your will to live.

Also, she's our revenge for Cher.

And that is sort of the point I was trying to make about Sean's comment, about The Grudge jumping around and critics having to follow it and think. Even though it was the same director making the movie, Eastern and Western styles of filmmaking are very different. And those influences might not have been taken into account, as far as quality of creepiness goes.

I still don't follow you. Do you really think that "creepiness" can be evaluated critically at all? I think fear/dread are far too visceral for that.

But Sean, I don't think it's just about Fone. You said that any critic who couldn't follow the film is a moron and, quote, "can't handle a movie that expects you to bring your brain along."

Please point to the part where I said that. Cut and paste will do just fine, thanks.

Our sooper seekrit weapon is Celine Dion. She keeps churning out those songs that make you lose your will to live.

Well, that's why we've proudly started a Coalition of The Willingful to pull together Operation Ululate against Celine Dion. There's evil in her heart, and we know that it's the right thing to do, because she won't let the UN inspector guys look at her baby. Freedom-loving patriots from Turkmenistan, El Salvador, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo are with us, and together we shall wipe all evil, especially that of Celine Dion, off the face of the planet. Which is why we've declared war on Ashlee Simpson.