I must block out a lot of truly horrid movies. Independence Day is one of the worst non-Red Dawn (which, yeah, is fun to mock) I can think of.
Spike: At least give me Wesley's office since he's gone. Angel: He's not gone. He's on a leave of absence. Spike: Yeah, right. Boo-hoo. Thought he killed his bloody father. Try staking your mother when she's coming on to you! Harmony: Well…that explains a lot.
'Destiny'
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Hayden - Oct 19, 2004 8:23:15 am PDT #4789 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
tommyrot - Oct 19, 2004 8:23:39 am PDT #4790 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
I saw The Goonies. All I remember of it is the mediocre Cindy Lauper song in it.
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Independence Day is one of the worst non-Red Dawn (which, yeah, is fun to mock) I can think of.
Oh yes. But it did entertain me, as my mind was occupied by cataloging all the ways in which it sucked.
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 19, 2004 8:35:44 am PDT #4791 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Hugh has been able to save Van Helsing.
Saving it was WAY more than an actor's job.
True, but at least Richard Roxburgh went above and beyond in his attempts to save it from within. As far as I could tell, Hugh wasn't even trying.
On the flip side, I wish they'd cast him instead of Pitt as Achilles. Just imagine all the filmmaker's attempts at whitewashing the slashiness out of ancient Greek culture being sabotaged by the lead actor at every turn...
§ ita § - Oct 19, 2004 8:43:42 am PDT #4792 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The film-maker's attempts at taking out the slash were poor indeed. People who had no idea there'd been boy on boy action in the original were asking why there needed to be incest in the movie.
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 19, 2004 8:46:30 am PDT #4793 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Yeah, that "Cousin! Cousin. Totally his cousin!" thing did rather spectacularly backfire on them, didn't it?
Jessica - Oct 19, 2004 9:27:15 am PDT #4794 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I agree that a movie can be altered in the editing room -- the difference between FOTR and its EE are the proof -- but an editor (and the people who decide on voiceovers, and the post-production wizards) can only do so much with the footage they get.
You would be REALLY surprised at how much can be changed/decided in post. Most commercial feature films have a high enough shooting ratio that one could cut two or three completely separate movies out of what comes into the editing room. Characters can be changed from good to evil, A and B plots can change places, C plots can be created out of thin air -- generally speaking, the original screenplay (or even the shooting script) bears very little resemblance to what ends up onscreen, structurally or otherwise.
Betsy HP - Oct 19, 2004 9:36:50 am PDT #4795 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Flash Gordon is one of the best movies of all time. Shameless and adorable.
On the other hand, the people who made Baby Geniuses and the people who made Good Burger should have to serve a week as ita's target dummies.
Gris - Oct 19, 2004 9:38:51 am PDT #4796 of 10001
Hey. New board.
Worst Movie Standard: Probably The Goonies.
Congratulations. You just made the Baby Jesus cry.
Frankenbuddha - Oct 19, 2004 9:38:53 am PDT #4797 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Most commercial feature films have a high enough shooting ratio that one could cut two or three completely separate movies out of what comes into the editing room.
This is, to make a reference to classic cinema, what drove David O. Selznick crazy with regards to Hitchcock. Because Hitchcock storyboarded everything in advance, he just shot pretty much exactly what he was going to use in terms of angles, movements, etc., so that the only way the footage would make sense was if you put it together the way he'd designed it. This left Selznick with no way to recut the movie his own way - he referred to it as "goddamn jigsaw-puzzle shooting" (I believe that was the phrase).
SuziQ - Oct 19, 2004 9:42:51 am PDT #4798 of 10001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame
Listening to the commentary on Bull Durham, Kostner talked about a few scenes that were shot, but cut, that would have changed the mood of the movie.