Or pretty much any Bo Derek movie involving dialogue.

Even 10? Or do Julie Andrews and Dudley Moore not redeem that one?

and the cartoon was never that good in the first place, but marginally entertaining in a campy way, but as a movie? No. Not to mention a SEQUEL? Nononono.

Actually, the first one wasn't nearly as terrible as I thought it would be.

Highlander 2 is the worst movie I've ever seen in a theater. It sets a standard to which other bad movies can only aspire.

I saw it on video instead of in the theatre, but any movie that goes through 3 (or is it 4?) different in an attempt to not suck and still fails is pretty bad.

Not a movie, but I'm still annoyed at them spinning off Highlander the series into the dreck that was "The Raven". I think I hated it even more because I loved Amanda on the original show.

Even 10? Or do Julie Andrews and Dudley Moore not redeem that one?

The premise that once she talks, the illusion is shattered, kinda redeems the movie with the irony. Plus, as you say, Dudley and Julie make a difference. I was thinking about 10, but I don't think of that as a Bo movie. She's kind of like set dressing, the way Arnie was in the first Terminator.

Or the original Rollerball, for that matter.

Pah! One would need a heart of stone not to weep at the death of Moonpie.

That was actually a fan-freaking-tastic script.

Really? Now, I speak as a bit of a Homerian purist, but... really?

Nutty, it sounds like Alibelle actually got to read the script before seeing the movie, and several friends of mine said the same thing. In fact, they said it was one of the best written screenplays they'd read. That it was a prime example of the form. They were braced for a fantastic movie, and were quite disappointed by the movie they they saw.

I myself have not read the script nor seen the movie, so I can't offer first-hand commentary, but Alibelle's not the only person I've heard that from.

In fact, they said it was one of the best written screenplays they'd read.

But...but...the anvils! The reminder every five minutes that HEROES WILL BE REMEMBERED and THEIR NAMES WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN. The Dawson's Creek dialogue of Paris and Helen. The complete lack of narrative connection between scenes. I don't understand how it could read so well on paper.

But Sean, what I'm describing are structural problems: unless "the script" bears no resemblance to what the actors learned their lines from (in which case I'm not sure we can call it the script), then those structural problems in the finished product had to have been there in the script.

Like, you can do an on-set rewrite to punch up crappy dialogue, but I don't think there's a script doctor in the world who can completely restructure a plot once the sets are built and everyone's in costume.

Highlander 2 was a great measure of badness, but true absolute zero of ill-conceived movies for me will always be Red Dawn.

What, Hayden, you gotta problem with highschool Reaganite counter-revolutionaries? You don't believe we could be invaded and subdued by Cuba at any moment??

Pinko.