If we know he's basically just Cookie Monster with the color on the fritz, he is not nearly so shocking.
LEIA! Me want LEIA! t crunch crunch crunch gobble gobble gobble Mmmmmm. Me want more LEIA!
He actually looks more like Snuffleupagus.
Hey! What do you two think you're doing? Fightin' at a time like this. You'll use up all the air!
Jayne ,'Out Of Gas'
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Betsy HP - Sep 10, 2004 7:58:15 am PDT #3783 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
JohnSweden - Sep 10, 2004 8:01:15 am PDT #3784 of 10001
I can't even.
it's supposed to be shocking when he's revealed in the yucky flesh in movie #3.
With this, and issues like Greedo shooting first and Han losing motivation to get off Tattooine, it is like Lucas is losing track of his own storytelling imperatives. I mean, to me, he's saying "I already said that, let's move on", when the things he is changing are important to the original narrative. The pieces don't fit together as well. Jazzing up the CGI a bit doesn't bug me as much, although I think it is unnecessary. SW will always be a movie from 1977. You can't make it into the Matrix with a few touched up special effects.
§ ita § - Sep 10, 2004 8:03:00 am PDT #3785 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
You can't make it into the Matrix with a few touched up special effects.
This is my thing. He can't make it compete with Terminator 2 or Jurassic Park, so why even bother? I guess he thinks he's tightening the story, etc, but it really makes the success of the original three seem more and more sheer luck.
evil jimi - Sep 10, 2004 8:07:37 am PDT #3786 of 10001
Lurching from one disaster to the next.
I reckon part of the blame lies with Chris Carter. Lucas has obviously watched the X Files and figured if Carter can blatantly disregard everything he wrote a few years earlier, then he can do the same. Clearly he, like Carter, considers the fans to be stupid and irrelevant.
Having said that, I'd still rather watch 9 seasons of the X Files, than half-an-hour of Phantom Menace or AotC.
§ ita § - Sep 10, 2004 8:12:11 am PDT #3787 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
if Carter can blatantly disregard everything he wrote a few years earlier
At least (dog forgive me for defending CC) CC's only retconning, not actually altering the work for which he has no respect.
I'd still rather watch 9 seasons of the X Files, than half-an-hour of Phantom Menace or AotC.
Well, 7, for sure. But if it was to be an entire hour of AotC, I'd probably go with 9.
evil jimi - Sep 10, 2004 8:20:56 am PDT #3788 of 10001
Lurching from one disaster to the next.
At least (dog forgive me for defending CC) CC's only retconning, not actually altering the work for which he has no respect.
True enough. I guess I'm looking at it from the point of view that if Lucas has to alter stuff in the originals to bring them in line with shit he's introduced in the new films, then he clearly ignored what he'd written before when "writing" the new films.
Well, 7, for sure. But if it was to be an entire hour of AotC, I'd probably go with 9.
I originally just had 7 but changed it to 9 as a contingency to cover any footage involving Anakin and Whatsherface.
§ ita § - Sep 10, 2004 8:21:49 am PDT #3789 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
a contingency to cover any footage involving Anakin and Whatsherface.
A very wise decision.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 10, 2004 8:59:56 am PDT #3790 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I used to hate the Ewoks utterly, but then they became the butt of the best joke ever to appear in Wizard. (One of their editors became the new herald of Galactus and the first world he led the Big G to was Endor.)
Frankenbuddha - Sep 10, 2004 10:44:33 am PDT #3791 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
All kindsa awful movies have Vangelis-style music.
Best not be including BLADE RUNNER in that group.
sumi - Sep 10, 2004 10:47:11 am PDT #3792 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!