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§ ita § - Jul 13, 2004 7:45:17 am PDT #359 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There comes a point that you have to stop letting Spielberg off the hook with the "last 10 minutes are a dream" excuse and accept that he's just a big softy (cf AI)

I haven't seen AI, but I thought at the time it was all a dream. And I don't see any reason it's not. It's not a justification -- it's an honest interpretation.


Sean K - Jul 13, 2004 7:46:30 am PDT #360 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Except whenever someone mentions his name, my mind now defaults to the leg-in-woodchipper image with the resulting wiggins.

Some actors just get permanently marked by certain roles.

Michael Madsen's the same way. In Free Willy, I spent the whole movie waiting for his utterly harmless dad character to freak out, cut somebody's ear off, and pour gasoline all over them.


Miracleman - Jul 13, 2004 7:46:45 am PDT #361 of 10001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Also, The Final Countdown in which a modern US Navy aircraft carrier gets sent to Hawaii on Dec 6, 1941. But I didn't see that one.

Love. That. Movie.

Kirk Douglas, Martin Sheen, Charles Durning, time-travel, moral dilemmas...what's not to like?

I have to admit one of my favorite time-travel movies is Timecop. The MMBS for "how it works" is annoying and hand-wavy, but I dug the realization in the last fifteen minutes that the entire movie is the second time through the time loop! There's, conceivably, an original timeline we never see where Ron Silver doesn't come back and kill Jean-Claude Van Damme's wife. I thought that was kinda cool.

Back to the Future 2 is great. Couldn't happen, according to its own internal logic, but lots of fun.

12 Monkeys, naturally. Just brilliant.

And, *cough* Millennium with Kris Kristofferson and Cheryl Ladd. Odd little movie, but fun.


Jim - Jul 13, 2004 7:47:15 am PDT #362 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Fair enough. and it might be, it's just I tend to be suspicious, where there's no evidence to suggest it, of the argument that the coda to films is a death dream of some sort.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 13, 2004 7:47:41 am PDT #363 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm not so certain it's Michael Madsen's roles that have marked him, so much as his life off-camera.


Jessica - Jul 13, 2004 7:50:42 am PDT #364 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

In Free Willy, I spent the whole movie waiting for his utterly harmless dad character to freak out, cut somebody's ear off, and pour gasoline all over them.

HA!

I can buy the dream-ending interpretation of MR, but it doesn't make the movie any better for me. It just makes the last 40 minutes of the film an even bigger waste of my time than I originally thought.


Sean K - Jul 13, 2004 7:51:05 am PDT #365 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Also, The Final Countdown in which a modern US Navy aircraft carrier gets sent to Hawaii on Dec 6, 1941.

Oh, and I just remembered.... Not just any aircraft carrier, but the Nimitz, which is used for somewehat comic effect because in 1941, Chester Nimitz was still alive, and Charles Durning's character sort of scoffs at the idea of a carrier named after Nimitz.

Back to the Future 2 is great. Couldn't happen, according to its own internal logic, but lots of fun.

And don't forget about the miscounted Deloreans....


Miracleman - Jul 13, 2004 7:53:02 am PDT #366 of 10001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

And don't forget about the miscounted Deloreans....

Is Aimee around? Just saying that usually gives her a headache...

And that was more of an issue in III anyway.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 13, 2004 7:54:25 am PDT #367 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

?In Free Willy, I spent the whole movie waiting for his utterly harmless dad character to freak out, cut somebody's ear off, and pour gasoline all over them.

This definitely would have made for a better movie.


§ ita § - Jul 13, 2004 7:55:06 am PDT #368 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

where there's no evidence to suggest it

Well, that's where we differ. I thought there was evidence. I'm keeping that in the past tense -- I certainly don't remember enough about the movie to go through it.

I think the coda is crap moviemaking. I just don't think it's optimistic crap moviemaking.

Millennium was a bad movie based on a short story I really liked. Sadly, Varley worked on the movie and loved it, so I don't even have that recourse.