So if he hadn't received the prophecy it wouldn't have come about.
That happened a lot with the Greeks. Also Shakespeare.
And, y'know, Mutant Enemy...
Whoa. Good myth.
Wash ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'
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Jim - Jul 13, 2004 6:53:45 am PDT #336 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
Polter-Cow - Jul 13, 2004 6:54:55 am PDT #337 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I need my science fiction worlds to be internally consistent, and rules about how time works seem to get broken the most. (Yes, Minority Report, I'm looking at you.)
Oh yeah, I like that one too...except I suppose there's some rule-breaking going on there.
And I love Run Lola Run.
Sean K - Jul 13, 2004 6:56:32 am PDT #338 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
(Yes, Minority Report, I'm looking at you.)
Which ties in with the whole prohpecy thing, as Minority Report was very Greek in its prophecy while claiming that people still had free will.
Nice try, little movie.
Kate P. - Jul 13, 2004 6:58:34 am PDT #339 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
My favorite time-travel universe is in Connie Willis's books. I love the way it all comes together and makes sense and is explained in a useful and not-boring way.
Jessica - Jul 13, 2004 7:05:21 am PDT #340 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
There was a point at which I thought MR was going to to the tragic inevitability thing and not suck. And then it kept going for another hour.
Connie Willis does time travel splendidly. I hope she goes back to that 'verse again.
§ ita § - Jul 13, 2004 7:07:39 am PDT #341 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I still think MR did do the tragic inevitability thing.
Nutty - Jul 13, 2004 7:12:42 am PDT #342 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I think that if Tom Cruise had been smart enough to lock himself in a closet at the 20-minute mark, the whole movie would have ended a lot sooner.
Then again, what can you expect from a movie where the whole premise is that yes, people (police) can change the prophecied future, but people (murderers) can't.
tommyrot - Jul 13, 2004 7:15:29 am PDT #343 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Murderers have no magic in their hearts. But police do (they test for it when folks apply to be cops).
Vonnie K - Jul 13, 2004 7:16:06 am PDT #344 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
Liev. Hugh. The wardrobe. The poop-scoop scene. Using the remote control on the shock collar. Mr. Fancy-pants
I liked Liev Schreider's character but the romance was such a limp-noodle affair that it put me to sleep. Hugh's coat was v. shiny, as I recall.
Someone else in the Ryan role--someone with a real edge instead of a girlish pretention to one--might have improved the flick. Ah well.
My favorite time-travel universe is in Connie Willis's books.
Gah. Doomsday Book just about killed me. To Say Nothing of the Dog was delightful, but it didn't stay with me as long as Doomsday Book.
Jim - Jul 13, 2004 7:17:29 am PDT #345 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
Then again, what can you expect from a movie where the whole premise is that yes, people (police) can change the prophecied future, but people (murderers) can't.
that's the premise that the film demolishes - that's what Tom thinks at the start before he's framed.