Right, what's a little sweater sniffing between sworn enemies?

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Buffista Movies 3: Panned and Scanned  

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§ ita § - Aug 27, 2004 9:40:46 am PDT #3192 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

From IMDB's studio briefing:

Critics are suggesting that Bob Clark's SuperBabies: Baby Geniuses 2 may vie with Clark's original 1999 film Baby Geniuses for one of the worst films of all time. (Dave Kehr in the New York Times points out that the original ranks No. 7 on Metacritic.com's worst-film list.) Indeed, Kevin Crust in the Los Angeles Times writes that the movie "may quite easily put an end to any discussion of what is the worst theatrical release of 2004." Lou Lumenick in the New York Post calls it "spectacularly awful, way worse than you'd expect from a supposed family film being dumped into Hollywood's version of the Bermuda Triangle: a late-August release by a studio (Columbia) resorting to an alias (Triumph)." And Mike Clark in USA Today refers to it as "a late-August dog-days atrocity from the 'aren't farts funny?' school of filmmaking."


Jessica - Aug 27, 2004 9:41:26 am PDT #3193 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

My God. They made a sequel to Baby Geniuses.

If you value your eyes, you will NOT WATCH THE TRAILER, because the only way to make the pain stop will be to poke them out.


Sean K - Aug 27, 2004 9:45:42 am PDT #3194 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

If you value your eyes, you will NOT WATCH THE TRAILER, because the only way to make the pain stop will be to poke them out.

Poor, blind Jessica. You had such pretty eyes....


Jessica - Aug 27, 2004 9:50:57 am PDT #3195 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Oh, they grew back. (Being about to see Thunderbirds made it all a bit more bearable, because I could think "Well, at least I'm not seeing this.")


Gandalfe - Aug 27, 2004 10:32:49 am PDT #3196 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

I was just surprised that Star Trek 2: The Wrath Of Khan wasn't on there. The ONLY Trek film to have any real cinematic integrity, as opposed to just being for the fans.

Edited: Because "Wratch" isn't a word.


JohnSweden - Aug 27, 2004 10:36:35 am PDT #3197 of 10001
I can't even.

Agreed, Gandalfe, it should have been there.

An overactor says what?


Strega - Aug 27, 2004 10:53:30 am PDT #3198 of 10001

I don't wish to start a kerfluffle.

Uh oh. If I sounded kerfuffly it was completely unintentional. On re-read, I think I sound snootier than intended, because my reaction was basically "Oooo, I have a half-formed thesis about this in my head and you have given me an opportunity to mention it, goody!" Your question was totally reasonable; "western in space" is thrown about a lot. I think it's thrown around incorrectly, but I'm not all, "How dare you!" about it. If anything, I was curious to see how quickly someone would pick a hole in what I'd said. 'Cause that's fun.

Anyway, my apologies if you thought I was snapping at you (or just snapping, period). I should have said something to distinguish the part that was actually in response to you from the part that was just pontificating.


evil jimi - Aug 27, 2004 10:58:05 am PDT #3199 of 10001
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

Edited: Because "Wratch" isn't a word.

It's not? Damn! *scratches wratch from his dickshonehairy*

Actually, the only thing that makes Star Wars science fiction is the spaceships, lasers and aliens. All of which could be substitued for horses/cars/tanks, six-shooters/katanas/sub-machine guns and "Indians"/rival clans/Nazis (or North Koreans).

The final attack on the Death Star was "stolen" from the Korean War movie, The Bridges at Toko-Ri. Lucas also "borrowed" heavily from a Kurosawa movie but it was Hidden Fortress more than Yojimbo. He was also influenced by a bunch of other movies from a variety of genres. All of which he has readily admitted to in interviews, or so I've been led to believe.


Hayden - Aug 27, 2004 10:59:11 am PDT #3200 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Just to weigh in on the Star Wars discussion, Kurosawa constantly acknowledged that his greatest influence as a scriptwriter and director was John Ford. His movies were rarely well-received in Japan until the end of his career (which partially explains his two decades of silence between the 60s and the 80s), but always played well in the West, where audiences were more familiar with his Western tropes. Personally, I think Kurosawa's samurai movies are typically better Westerns than the Westerns based on them. Yojimbo and Sanjuro, for instance, are ten times as gritty as A Fistful of Dollars and For A Few Dollars More, and The Magnificent Seven is barely comparable to The Seven Samurai. Even The Hidden Fortress, which at least partially inspired Star Wars (well, at least, part of the plot, many of the characters, and the silly-fun screen-wipes), has its origins in The Searchers, which was one of Kurosawa's favorite films.

xpost with Evil Jimi.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 27, 2004 11:00:58 am PDT #3201 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

He was also influenced by a bunch of other movies from a variety of genres.

Including TRIUMPH OF THE WILL.