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§ ita § - Aug 24, 2004 8:37:55 am PDT #2991 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think they copped to their ignorance, which is why they brought in the ShePotatoe. The idea I think is that Bourne is so ahead of the operative curve that the plebes in the agency don't understand how brilliant he is. Nothing the Potatoe said was news to us, but they sure acted like it was valuable.

Which makes me worry about them, really. I hope it's more sensible in real life.


Gris - Aug 24, 2004 8:40:11 am PDT #2992 of 10001
Hey. New board.

But SHE never said "A print? They don't leave prints."

And HE didn't say "A fucking print? You know I don't leave fucking prints!" TO her.

It just bothered me. Not a big deal, obviously.


Jesse - Aug 24, 2004 8:40:17 am PDT #2993 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

But even she didn't harp on that. It just seemed so obvious to me as well. I mean, shit, even I would know better than that.


§ ita § - Aug 24, 2004 8:43:03 am PDT #2994 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But even she didn't harp on that.

Oh, I totally agree they were all dumb. What should have been SOP is that if all signs point to Bourne, it wasn't him.

Period, end of story, don't call in the specialists.

However, I guess we were supposed to believe they didn't get the magnitude of the supremacy. Even though it was standard CSI-level guessing for us.


Nutty - Aug 24, 2004 8:45:22 am PDT #2995 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

FWIW, the plot twist under discussion is cribbed directly from The Bourne Supremacy Identity, in which (to my memory) the unlikeliness of it is never discussed either.

All things considered, one hopes that spy-expectations are high enough that one giant, clear, 100% obvious thumbprint, and no smudged bits here and there on the same piece of machinery, would turn on alarm warning-bells. But, apparently not.

edited to not look like an idiot.


bon bon - Aug 24, 2004 9:01:22 am PDT #2996 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I see what you guys are saying-- they should have explained that, somehow. But nevertheless the CIA guys were practical-- Occam's razor and all that. I mean, how would bad guys get his perfect fingerprint? And why? They'd have to see a reason to frame him before jumping to the conclusion that he was definitely framed. After all, we're saying they should attribute the same incompetence to his framers. And it doesn't necessarily have to be incompetence-- he lost the glove. He needed a steady hand. He's been out for a while.


Nutty - Aug 24, 2004 9:05:16 am PDT #2997 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Actually what bon bon says is true -- for the CIA to attribute the print properly, it has to be able to fit the wrongness of the print into a framework of wrongness, which would point in a different (correct) direction.

The real question, to me, is why did the bad guys pick Bourne as their goat? I mean, did they not see the first movie??

Then again, this is the sort of movie where at least one of the assassins from the first movie was totally unaccounted for, and one character (Julia Stiles) completely disappears from the plot when Bourne is done talking to her. So accounting for the little details may just be too much to ask!


§ ita § - Aug 24, 2004 9:08:39 am PDT #2998 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I guess they picked Bourne because they, like the whole world (a bit of a tired device), underestimated him. If they had indeed succeeded in killing him (why the FUCK do you not check for the body?), the CIA would have been merrily wrong.


§ ita § - Aug 24, 2004 6:05:24 pm PDT #2999 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have a question about leaving-at-the-altar movies. Well, maybe more than one.

Do we have instances where it's the guy that leaves the girl, and the guy is the sympathetic character? In my memory it's generally the girl that jilts.

In the oh-no-our-heroine-is-marrying-the-wrong-man! stories, it's incumbent upon her to realise the wrongness, and end the relationship just in time, either because it's better to be alone, or to be with the other guy, right?


Hil R. - Aug 24, 2004 6:11:15 pm PDT #3000 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

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