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Vonnie K - Aug 24, 2004 6:57:53 am PDT #2988 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Has anyone seen Michael Winterbottom's Code 46? It appears to have gotten a limited release somewhere, and the reviews are lukewarm to say the least, but I don't want to believe them because dude! Tim Robbins and Samantha Morton! And the premise sounds so cool and Michael Winterbottom is such a consistently interesting director. Surely it can't be that bad?


tiggy - Aug 24, 2004 8:29:02 am PDT #2989 of 10001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

I didn't get to see Alien vs Predator. drugs make me sleepy.

I hope their presence in Garden State brings them some much deserved recognition.

I hope so too! i see a lot of people on eljay with them as their current music. so it seems word of mouth is getting around. i've turned at least one person on to them since i got the cd. i like catching bands/artists before they make it big.

I should probably buy the CD at some point. My copy is burned.

oh yes. you must. you have to support those lesser-known bands.


Gris - Aug 24, 2004 8:35:17 am PDT #2990 of 10001
Hey. New board.

I finally saw Bourne Supremacy last night, and generally thought it was great. Only one thing bugs me. How could the CIA people POSSIBLY think that Bourne would leave a FINGERPRINT? He's surgically attached to his gloves! Nobody as good as him would leave a print anywhere.


§ ita § - Aug 24, 2004 8:37:55 am PDT #2991 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think they copped to their ignorance, which is why they brought in the ShePotatoe. The idea I think is that Bourne is so ahead of the operative curve that the plebes in the agency don't understand how brilliant he is. Nothing the Potatoe said was news to us, but they sure acted like it was valuable.

Which makes me worry about them, really. I hope it's more sensible in real life.


Gris - Aug 24, 2004 8:40:11 am PDT #2992 of 10001
Hey. New board.

But SHE never said "A print? They don't leave prints."

And HE didn't say "A fucking print? You know I don't leave fucking prints!" TO her.

It just bothered me. Not a big deal, obviously.


Jesse - Aug 24, 2004 8:40:17 am PDT #2993 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

But even she didn't harp on that. It just seemed so obvious to me as well. I mean, shit, even I would know better than that.


§ ita § - Aug 24, 2004 8:43:03 am PDT #2994 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But even she didn't harp on that.

Oh, I totally agree they were all dumb. What should have been SOP is that if all signs point to Bourne, it wasn't him.

Period, end of story, don't call in the specialists.

However, I guess we were supposed to believe they didn't get the magnitude of the supremacy. Even though it was standard CSI-level guessing for us.


Nutty - Aug 24, 2004 8:45:22 am PDT #2995 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

FWIW, the plot twist under discussion is cribbed directly from The Bourne Supremacy Identity, in which (to my memory) the unlikeliness of it is never discussed either.

All things considered, one hopes that spy-expectations are high enough that one giant, clear, 100% obvious thumbprint, and no smudged bits here and there on the same piece of machinery, would turn on alarm warning-bells. But, apparently not.

edited to not look like an idiot.


bon bon - Aug 24, 2004 9:01:22 am PDT #2996 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I see what you guys are saying-- they should have explained that, somehow. But nevertheless the CIA guys were practical-- Occam's razor and all that. I mean, how would bad guys get his perfect fingerprint? And why? They'd have to see a reason to frame him before jumping to the conclusion that he was definitely framed. After all, we're saying they should attribute the same incompetence to his framers. And it doesn't necessarily have to be incompetence-- he lost the glove. He needed a steady hand. He's been out for a while.


Nutty - Aug 24, 2004 9:05:16 am PDT #2997 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Actually what bon bon says is true -- for the CIA to attribute the print properly, it has to be able to fit the wrongness of the print into a framework of wrongness, which would point in a different (correct) direction.

The real question, to me, is why did the bad guys pick Bourne as their goat? I mean, did they not see the first movie??

Then again, this is the sort of movie where at least one of the assassins from the first movie was totally unaccounted for, and one character (Julia Stiles) completely disappears from the plot when Bourne is done talking to her. So accounting for the little details may just be too much to ask!