On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


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§ ita § - Aug 07, 2004 5:52:29 pm PDT #2448 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

WTF is up with Lenny Kravitz' hair?

Fucked if I know. Don't they mock him in that issue? I've heard at least one standup have a go, too. It's horrible. Also sadmaking.

Seriousness, yet with charisma? I don't know.

None of them have the easy, sexy, knowing smile, the on-and-off charisma that Denzel excels at. If they were looking for the next big black pretty man, I can see the Mekhi and the Jamie. But Matt means that wasn't their angle -- I don't see why he's there, and I don't see why they're there. They're both a bit puckish and unsmooth. Matt has too much real boy charm.


sumi - Aug 07, 2004 6:16:42 pm PDT #2449 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

I can see the point their making in their article -- but I don't think you can predict with any great accuracy who that person is going to be.

(I can't believe they thought that Orly was "too girly" as Paris -- did they not understand the character?)


§ ita § - Aug 07, 2004 6:28:26 pm PDT #2450 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Maybe they meant that Paris was too girly to make Orlando a star.


sumi - Aug 07, 2004 6:32:24 pm PDT #2451 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Perhaps.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 07, 2004 7:50:24 pm PDT #2452 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Hmmm. I seem to have hockey sticks near each entrance to my home, and in my bedroom. Though I suspect I'd be better off flinging habanero powder at an intruder in my kitchen.

So much easier to do serious damage to someone when they're begging you to kill them and put them out of their misery.


Volans - Aug 08, 2004 4:54:03 am PDT #2453 of 10001
move out and draw fire

Who was Julia Roberts "the new" of? And Denzel Washington is "the new" whom? I pshaw on that article, in its arrogant supposition that now is the pinnacle of movie stars, and that there are only a few timeless categories of star.


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 5:19:03 am PDT #2454 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't get that idea at all...I've understood that there are probably two incarnations of movie star that precede Julia/Denzel/etc -- I'm not precisely sure of the timing, but the sword-to-the-studio was the first type, and even so, the idea that people can't open movies like Hanks or Cruise is definitely a paradigm shift.

And that's what it was about, at least how I read it.


sumi - Aug 08, 2004 7:12:08 am PDT #2455 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Sometimes it's just a matter of the right actor finding the right role at the right time.

Also, just saw an ad for Vanity Fair , it looks very pretty.

(I'm watching a movie called Life in a Day on Scifi -- it stars somebody from Party of Five and is pretty fun.)


Kat - Aug 08, 2004 7:18:06 am PDT #2456 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

the idea that people can't open movies like Hanks or Cruise is definitely a paradigm shift.

I also liked the parts about how the hype precedes the person now, in some ways. That we are making celebrities more than film stars. It reminded me of EWs article last year about Kate Bosworth being the new face of hollywood. Then the flop of Tad Hamilton and suddenly, not so much.


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 7:21:19 am PDT #2457 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That we are making celebrities more than film stars.

Yes. And at least they didn't pull an attitude about their part in it.

I read the letters that were all "Why Christian Bale on the cover???" I was indignant -- he's a darkly pretty man with some interesting choices and a lovely body and the new Batman!

But yeah, not a big movie star, and nowhere near as famous as I keep figuring he is. Or a draw. I mean, Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman can't open movies, individually, or together.

Which is fine by me, just weird. "A Hugh Jackman movie" just doesn't have the same resonance as "a Tom Cruise movie," though I'd rather watch the former.