Zoe: She shot you. Mal: Well, yeah, she did a bit... still --

'Serenity'


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DavidS - Aug 07, 2004 5:05:15 pm PDT #2445 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

TiVo turns out to be exceptionally good at nabbing movies I've always wanted to see, but which always got bumped off the list when I'm standing in the video store.

Saw two classic noirs, which were so good, I was regretting I hadn't seen them earlier. Then again, I ganked them off TCM and the prints were pristine.

First, Criss Cross - which I only really knew from its poster and the ad line: "What do you get when you double cross a double crosser? Criss Cross!" Which - you know - didn't really entice me. But it's a tragic noir with Burt Lancaster and Yvonne Decarlo (aka, Lilly Munster). One of the very appealing things about it (for me) is that it was shot in sections of LA that I was very familiar with - the steep hills of Echo Park and Silverlake. Its one of those movies which is very close to the center of the noir canon because it hits on the classic noir elements so strongly (femme fatale, doom brought on my sexual obsession, fate). Also, Burt looks fantastic in this one. Side note for Sondheim fans - he wrote "I'm Still Here" after conversations with Decarlo about her long and odd career.

The other was Clash By Night with Barbara Stanwyck at her most bitter and complex (which is pretty damn bitter and complex) with the great Robert Ryan playing a super cynical, intelligent, weak and interesting character. They're so FUCKING DOOMED. In that noir way - but it's got a Clifford Odets script - so it's very intellient and subtle in many ways. Also has a very feisty young Marilyn Monroe in it.


Maysa - Aug 07, 2004 5:35:02 pm PDT #2446 of 10001

I saw Maria Full of Grace last night. It was very intense and the camera never seemed to leave Maria's face--I felt everything Maria felt, and that hardly ever happens to me when I watch recent movies. I don't know if it's quite as good as some of the critics are saying, but I left the theater feeling like I had just spent a few days trying to smuggle drugs into the US from Colombia--so I think it's successful.


sumi - Aug 07, 2004 5:39:17 pm PDT #2447 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

ita -- did you see the ad on the back cover? WTF is up with Lenny Kravitz' hair?

I'm trying to imagine what they were thinking about when they put Mat Damon in the Denzel box. Seriousness, yet with charisma? I don't know.


§ ita § - Aug 07, 2004 5:52:29 pm PDT #2448 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

WTF is up with Lenny Kravitz' hair?

Fucked if I know. Don't they mock him in that issue? I've heard at least one standup have a go, too. It's horrible. Also sadmaking.

Seriousness, yet with charisma? I don't know.

None of them have the easy, sexy, knowing smile, the on-and-off charisma that Denzel excels at. If they were looking for the next big black pretty man, I can see the Mekhi and the Jamie. But Matt means that wasn't their angle -- I don't see why he's there, and I don't see why they're there. They're both a bit puckish and unsmooth. Matt has too much real boy charm.


sumi - Aug 07, 2004 6:16:42 pm PDT #2449 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

I can see the point their making in their article -- but I don't think you can predict with any great accuracy who that person is going to be.

(I can't believe they thought that Orly was "too girly" as Paris -- did they not understand the character?)


§ ita § - Aug 07, 2004 6:28:26 pm PDT #2450 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Maybe they meant that Paris was too girly to make Orlando a star.


sumi - Aug 07, 2004 6:32:24 pm PDT #2451 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Perhaps.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 07, 2004 7:50:24 pm PDT #2452 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Hmmm. I seem to have hockey sticks near each entrance to my home, and in my bedroom. Though I suspect I'd be better off flinging habanero powder at an intruder in my kitchen.

So much easier to do serious damage to someone when they're begging you to kill them and put them out of their misery.


Volans - Aug 08, 2004 4:54:03 am PDT #2453 of 10001
move out and draw fire

Who was Julia Roberts "the new" of? And Denzel Washington is "the new" whom? I pshaw on that article, in its arrogant supposition that now is the pinnacle of movie stars, and that there are only a few timeless categories of star.


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 5:19:03 am PDT #2454 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't get that idea at all...I've understood that there are probably two incarnations of movie star that precede Julia/Denzel/etc -- I'm not precisely sure of the timing, but the sword-to-the-studio was the first type, and even so, the idea that people can't open movies like Hanks or Cruise is definitely a paradigm shift.

And that's what it was about, at least how I read it.