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Buffista Movies 3: Panned and Scanned  

A place to talk about movies--Old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 29, 2004 7:37:18 am PDT #1588 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Also, Orson purposefully set that shot up for a day when the studio sent somebody down to check up on him. They were suitably impressed that he knew what he was doing.

Actually, that was a later scene, also a long, single take, set in the suspect's apartment. It's known as the "shoebox" scene, and covers something like 5-10 pages of script. After they wrapped a good take, Welles turned to the suits and said "We're now 3 days ahead of schedule" which got them to leave him alone (until the editing - like Blade Runner, there may not BE a definitive version of the movie).

I love Touch of Evil on a totally gut level. I'd probably love it on an analytical level too, if I ever bothered to try, but my reactions to it were entirely of the "Hot damn, this is good" variety.

Jess is me on this movie. Always in my top 5, and, despite having read many reviews and analyses of the film, I still couldn't tell you why except "coooool!"


CaBil - Jul 29, 2004 7:43:40 am PDT #1589 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

A friend of mine saw the full version of Sky Captain and World of Tomorrow at SDCC, and basically just said wow, plain wow.

Plus the clips they had were very nice...


Hayden - Jul 29, 2004 7:45:03 am PDT #1590 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Why Touch of Evil is a good (& great) movie:

1) The opening tracking shot. The bomb is introduced (on the side of the screen, too, so pay attention, kids), throwing the plot into motion. As Heston & Leigh walk towards the border, discussing their marraige (and establishing most of what you need to know about them), the doomed car matches them step for step, building the tension (will they kill Heston & Leigh in the first shot of the movie? Hey, that's not a bad idea -- someone call Hitchcock.). You can almost miss the floozie complaining about the ticking noise in her head just before the car finally shoots forward - just beyond where it will kill Heston, Leigh, and a bunch of other innocent people, and explodes. Then the car explodes (in bad film stock, too, just like they would in any regular drive-in movie). Then, in a few minutes, Quinlan appears, all of that mass sliding out of the car behind that squinting, bulbous, evil, messy face like a caricature of malevalence.

2) Janet Leigh's first interaction with Uncle Joe, with the way that her 50s-fluff attitude suddenly meets a guy who's mean in a way that few noir movies could really convey. Uncle Joe & his group are out of time; Leigh is sure that she can't be hurt because, after all, she's white, middle-class, and American, not to mention married to a cop. Uncle Joe carries enough real menace to let her know that she's not in that movie anymore; in fact, no one is.

3) ToE's Tijuana, which is lit in such a way that it seems all giant facades and pitch-black alleys, like one of those nightmare paintings (what was that artist's name?) of the super-creepy dusky town squares. The movie lays claim to Tijuana as dreamspace, reality through the mirror, just as Mexico plays the part of America's Id throughout the movie. (Vargas: "This isn't the real Mexico. You know that. All border towns bring out the worst in a country.") Welles figures out how to have his cake & eat it, too, because the movie specifically plays off of the expectation that most of its viewers are going to hold racist opinions about Mexicans, and it pushes those buttons expertly. Whenever anyone from Uncle Joe's gang appears, they are the Mexicans To Fear, full of attitude and violence. But the movie nonetheless goes on to show that the crimes of Uncle Joe's gang are just run-of-the-mill crimes. It's the American sheriff -- the racist white ranch-owner -- Quinlan whose crimes are much more serious. (Vargas to Quinlan: "A policeman's job is only easy in a police state.")

4) The questioning of the suspect. The movie so directly subverts the audience's expectations that I couldn't even see it the first time. The confession, the evidence-planting, the proof of guilt -- it all takes place off-screen. The camera keeps shifting to a different room, following Vargas as he realizes what's really going on, that Quinlan's planting evidence. Who cares whether the kid did it? The ostensible plot A part of the movie is completely beside the real point.

5) Janet Leigh at the motel. Yeeks. Yeah, on one level, it's cheese. On another, it's the most nightmarish part of a nightmarish movie. Dennis Weaver's skittering hotel clerk is the worst-possible bystander, afraid to help & denying his responsibility. Welles puts Leigh in the most uncomfortable situation he could -- she's alone, constantly being leered at by Weaver, then Uncle Joe's guys show up & terrorize her before they drug her and possibly gang-rape her. When the girl whispers to her through the wall about what's coming, it's both hilarious (Reefer? Really?) and unsettling (why is she whispering? Where is the rest of the gang? Doesn't the whisperer come with the rest of the gang to hold her down & drug her?). Urgh.

6) The final scene. Quinlan is confronted with his crimes by his sidekick Menzies, and the crimes are, like I said, worse than Uncle Joe's, because Quinlan's crimes are against himself and his friend's trust, as well as justice itself. Although it makes no technological sense that Vargas should have to scuffle along to listen in, it makes perfect emotional sense. After all, Heston's been scuffling along the edge of this movie the whole time, trying to figure out what makes Quinlan tick. This is all taking place in Tijuana, too, which is Id-land, where nightmare logic works. The industrial site that Vargas creeps through looks like something out of Bosch, and Vargas hasn't kept his hands clean -- he's currently having a loyal friend betray another, while ignoring/avoiding his wife in his quest to be right. It's only when Quinlan & Menzies (and Vargas) cross back into America that they leave the dream logic & get to the really dirty stuff. Quinlan realizes that his friend is wearing a wire and shoots his best friend/sidekick, then wanders down to the filthy river to clean the blood off his hands (and to try to kill Vargas). He's shot instead, and Marlene Dietrich, the only other person (than the man who he's just killed) who loved him, is left to pronounce his epitaph: "He was some kind of man. What does it matter what you say about people?" Damn straight. Quinlan's more of a man than a monster, and the movie is powerful enough to show that Quinlan deserves the audience's sympathy as much as its contempt.

There's more, but I gotta get back to work.


DavidS - Jul 29, 2004 7:47:48 am PDT #1591 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

As for Touch of Evil, I think that it's a movie easier to love if you read Cahiers du Cinema than if you don't. It is often hard to love a movie if its appeal lies only in form and revolutionariness.

Add me to the bunch that responds to Touch of Evil on a visceral level. It's a deeply pleasurable viewing experience for me. Your Wallowing In A Seedy Baroque Noir Wonderland May Vary. For me it's not dissimilar to my pleasure in Tom Waits' Swordfishtrombones. It's very transporting.


Gandalfe - Jul 29, 2004 8:09:54 am PDT #1592 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

See, I loved the opening shot in The Player, which is not only one of those long, long tracking shots that set up the whole movie, but actually references Touch of Evil's long, long tracking shot that sets up the whole movie. It's just brutally meta.


beekaytee - Jul 29, 2004 8:12:41 am PDT #1593 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

I hated Forrest Gump the film, for its cloying stereotypes and the notion that the woman couldn't take care of herself, and needed the mentally challenged guy to live a decent life. I hated the book even more. Could never figure out the boxxachocolates love.

I felt the same way about Giant, long held as iconic. A virtual legend parade. Okay, James Dean and a luscious Liz Taylor, but comeon! Some of the worst acting evah. And bored? It made me want to stick something sharp and hot in both my eyes.

All the hoopla around it leads me to appreciate the power and tenacity of the big studios' publicity machines. If you say something is fabulous enough times, people will assume it is true. Like, ya know...brainwashing.


Alicia K - Jul 29, 2004 8:14:53 am PDT #1594 of 10001
Uncertainty could be our guiding light.

I may be the only remaining person in the world who liked Forrest Gump.

And I am indeed the last Buffista to see Spiderman 2, for I haven't seen it yet. Even though it's showing at a theater within walking distance of me. I want to see it, I just haven't drug my lazy ass there yet.


§ ita § - Jul 29, 2004 8:16:37 am PDT #1595 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I may be the only remaining person in the world who liked Forrest Gump.

Did we kill or convert P-C? Otherwise, you have company.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 29, 2004 8:16:58 am PDT #1596 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The only enjoyable thing about Forest Gump to me was when Jenny was going to jump from her balcony while "Freebird" played in the background. Though the thought occurred to me that between her platform heels reducing the distance and her bell bottoms acting as parachutes, she'd probably survive the fall.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 29, 2004 8:18:11 am PDT #1597 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Janet Leigh at the motel. Yeeks. Yeah, on one level, it's cheese. On another, it's the most nightmarish part of a nightmarish movie.

You'd think she'd have learned to avoid cheap, out-of-the-way motels after this, but noooooo....