Marvel Universe rated Spider-Man's strength as the 10 ton lifting range, which is both completely insufficient to handle the weight of even one El car and less than just about everybody and his dog among super heroes and villains. Of course, last time I checked the comics Superman couldn't make illusionary duplicates of himself or wipe away someone's memory with a kiss. Lots of creative license is taken in the movies.

For how long do we whitefont new movies? I can't remember.

Oh! Another sort-of-teary moment was Harry's reaction when he took Spidey's mask off and realized it was Peter.

The thing that surprised me about that scene was I had seen it fifty zillion times in the trailer, and because itwas in the trailer I assumed it was a False Reveal, and either Harry would be interrupted before he could remove the mask or it wouldn't actually be Peter in the suit. It was almost a nice change to have a scene like that actually end with a true reveal.

Lyra, I felt the same way!

OK, here's my biggest problem with Spider-Man 2. Are you ready? Doc Ock, outside of the freaky arms, is just human. So, why-oh-why didn't Spidey knock him unconcious with one of those blows to the chin? 'Cause there were a lot of them.

For how long do we whitefont new movies? I can't remember.

Two weeks.

Gandalfe, here's my five-second fanwank: Those freaky arms, remember, have their own intelligence. Therefore, Doc Ock actually has a greater consciousness level than normal. As they're plugged into his brain, they can keep it going.

Hmpf. OK, P-C, I'll go with it, but only so I don't keep looking at that and cringing.

Everybody needs to step off Ben Braddock. He's one of my Insecure Jewish Woobies.(It's kind of retro of me, but he's on my List. What can I do? It's laminated.) And Lloyd Dobler could not exist in a Braddock-free world. And plastics are just too...plastic. And I still haven't seen the new Spiderman yet, so carry on.

Here's the thread policy:

Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.

Saw "Shrek 2" yesterday. Hurt myself laughing. The "Mission Impossible" sequence alone gave me hiccups. Geez, the John Woo doves flying through the trashed warehouse. Hubby and I played "Name that Movie Reference" for hours.

Anyway, Giant Gingerbread Man goes down in full "King Kong" glory. I'm assuming little gingerbread man's reaction of going after him is also from a movie, but I can't think which one.

"Do you still know the muffin man?"
"The one in Drury Lane? Sure."

Tep, that's funny! We clearly know our film clichés.

In re Spider-Man 2: the real problem with the whole el train in Manhattan question is not that [Lower and Midtown] Manhattan don't have an el train, but that the whole area looks exactly like Inner Loop Chicago. Like, if they'd taken plates of Midtown and pasted an el right into Fifth Avenue, it would have been more in the spirit of the movie's own fancifulness, and less jarringly "Wait, where the hell are we now??"

I mean, not if the el down Fifth ended at the East River, or anyway it would make New Yorkers just laugh harder, but the movie doesn't work as well if Spidey lives in Everytown. He lives in New York, even a fanciful New York, and he got no business rescuing poor dumb commuters in Chicago. Some other superhero can handle that.

May I ask why there is an Obi-Wan for Batman? Does every superhero get Obi-Wan now, like a gift with purchase? I am thinking, moreover, that Obi-Wan, as a trainer of superheroes goes, is sort of a bum deal for the superhero, so he should definitely come for free. Also, with an off button, for when he is haunting all over the place and the superhero has homework to do.