Okay, Hec's comments about Spidey 2 reminded me that some people here saw it and felt that Spidey did things that were beyond his strength.

Supposedly.

People who feel that way need to go pick up copies of Who's Who in the Marvel Universe.

Marvel Catalog Canon flat out states that Spidey is like the third or fourth strongest person in the Marvel Universe, behind only Galactus, The Hulk, and like one or two other people.

Stopping a train is a tall order, but one I think Spidey's capable of.

If I remember correctly, there was a Spidey/Superman crossover once, and Spidey hit Supes hard enough for Big Blue to feel it. Spidey's strong.

But Marvel ranks strength and durability separately. You can be strong, but have a body that doesn't stand up to huge stresses or vice versa.

You can always tell an old comics fan. We're the only people who ever say the word "nefarious."

I had never read comics when I named the villain in my myth movie for ninth grade English Nefarious.

You can be strong, but have a body that doesn't stand up to huge stresses or vice versa.

Oooh. Good point. The stress on his body there had to have been immense.

Of course, durability in comics can really fall by the wayside sometimes.

All of those busses Supes has picked one handed by the front bumper over the years? Those bumpers should have broken off the buss, really.

All of those busses Supes has picked one handed by the front bumper over the years? Those bumpers should have broken off the buss, really.

You should see the innumerable metal objects Clark has literally shattered on Smallville. Superman must have some sort of "Physics Does Not Apply" field around him.

Maybe the chocolate cake is a commentary on the costume not making the man.

As for durability -- I think they're reasonably consistent with it when it comes to people, and completely inconsistent when it comes to objects.

Marvel Universe rated Spider-Man's strength as the 10 ton lifting range, which is both completely insufficient to handle the weight of even one El car and less than just about everybody and his dog among super heroes and villains. Of course, last time I checked the comics Superman couldn't make illusionary duplicates of himself or wipe away someone's memory with a kiss. Lots of creative license is taken in the movies.

For how long do we whitefont new movies? I can't remember.

Oh! Another sort-of-teary moment was Harry's reaction when he took Spidey's mask off and realized it was Peter.

The thing that surprised me about that scene was I had seen it fifty zillion times in the trailer, and because itwas in the trailer I assumed it was a False Reveal, and either Harry would be interrupted before he could remove the mask or it wouldn't actually be Peter in the suit. It was almost a nice change to have a scene like that actually end with a true reveal.

Lyra, I felt the same way!

OK, here's my biggest problem with Spider-Man 2. Are you ready? Doc Ock, outside of the freaky arms, is just human. So, why-oh-why didn't Spidey knock him unconcious with one of those blows to the chin? 'Cause there were a lot of them.

For how long do we whitefont new movies? I can't remember.

Two weeks.

Gandalfe, here's my five-second fanwank: Those freaky arms, remember, have their own intelligence. Therefore, Doc Ock actually has a greater consciousness level than normal. As they're plugged into his brain, they can keep it going.