Willow: Yes. Hi. You must be Angel's handsome, yet androgynous, son. Connor: It's Connor. Willow: And the sneer's genetic. Who knew?

'A Hole in the World'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Kristen - Jun 16, 2005 8:49:22 pm PDT #9391 of 10001

The Sweeps Towel was the best thing evah.

Can you start with the part where he says I'm a good writer?

Should I just start a special Allyson section of the site? 'Cause you keep making these requests...


Eddie - Jun 16, 2005 8:50:40 pm PDT #9392 of 10001
Your tag here.

a special Allyson section of the site

Ooh! The Allysonian!


Allyson - Jun 16, 2005 8:51:39 pm PDT #9393 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Also, I really wanted him to spank me. I guess.

You're not helping to dispel the TWoP poster's theory, you know.


Polter-Cow - Jun 16, 2005 8:53:25 pm PDT #9394 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Granted, I may have enjoyed her nastiest recaps of "Tru Calling" more, 'cause, I mean, darts not aimed at me.

That was Shack, who also recapped Firefly.

Allyson, did the mini Sigmond who says I write about S&M a lot give any other examples?

Well, here's the full analysis:

RE: the S&M vibe. Tim is either into it or really wants to be. In Buffy, Angel and now on The Inside there have been allusions to S&M play, safe words, bondage, and domination. Some of the dialog rang false when the character's were discussing the S&M aspects of the plot. In an age when Dan Savage has a weekly column and the movie The Secretary is gets critical acclaim, I'd think at least one of these characters would have an open mind about alternate forms of pleasure. Really, Coyote's character should've been the one to correct people's terminology and preconcieved notions about what S&M is.

Minear may want to emulate CSI, but leave out the judgement.

I responded with the old "uh, S&M happens, that's why he might write about it" argument (alone with Ye Olde Tim-Never-Worked-on-Buffy), but have received no rebuttal.


Trudy Booth - Jun 16, 2005 10:06:01 pm PDT #9395 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

All of Tim's Buffy scripts were very SMerriffic.


Strega - Jun 16, 2005 10:11:24 pm PDT #9396 of 10001

Tim -- Oh, no, I've always respected how you've dealt with criticism, here & elsewhere. 'Cause I certainly expected you to think I was a complete asshole, and I felt kinda bad about that, so it was nice to find out you didn't. I truly meant just what I said, that I think you may have either read the TWoP boards on particularly bad days, or you may remember negative comments more than positive ones (which, again, I totally get). At least on the Angel boards, I think you're probably held in higher esteem than anyone else, including Joss, and a big part of that is because you'll say things like, "Yeah, sorry about TOGoM." Everything else was very Not About Your Post. I've had sort of a weird week as far as people talking about TWoP, plus being tired, so... yeah. Any venting was aimed at the world, not you in particular.

I, too, am curious about this Tornado Penis thing. Ahem.

And yes, Shack did Tru Calling. Damn him. I'm always getting credited for his jokes. It's like the "That was a great line!" "Er, thanks, but Joss wrote that one..." thing.


Tim Minear - Jun 16, 2005 10:29:43 pm PDT #9397 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

Well, I loved Shack's Tru Calling recaps. We actually... well, me, actually printed them out at Wonderfalls and read them out loud. And I'm still sorry about TOGoM.

And as far as that repost... uh, whatever. Never wrote for Buffy, never did S&M on Angel. I mean, I know I didn't anyway, and not sure the show ever did either (the way the poster suggests, with allusions to safe words and blah blah lifestyle blah.) Mark Fish pitched this story, and so far as I know he didn't write for Buffy either. Jesus, they didn't dig the show. Uh, got it. But the dime store psychoanalysis? I mean, jesus, I wrote lots more about blood drinkin', but nobody ever thought maybe "I must really do it or want to."


Strega - Jun 16, 2005 10:49:23 pm PDT #9398 of 10001

never did S&M on Angel. I mean, I know I didn't anyway, and not sure the show ever did either

I think you should blame DeKnight. "Deep Down" led to the recap I was afraid I'd have to explain to my mother. And it can't possibly be me reading into things. I'm positively saintly. I swear.


Kevin - Jun 16, 2005 11:00:43 pm PDT #9399 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Tim,

Wasn't there a fall out with one of the alt.tv.angel posters (who you had happened to have met at a conference or something)? I might have been imagining it, I just seemed to recall something being mentioned in uk.media.tv.angel years back (and we are talking years here).

I think you handle the online stuff very (very) well, Tim. I remember the first time I noticed you posted online, seeing a thread bashing Angel on UMTA quite badly, and you piping in the middle of it to give some kind of useful information about the episode. At the time I kinda thought "Jesus. If I'd written that episode, I don't think I'd be helping people out in that thread."

I do remember slagging Tim off for that horrid Buffy episode he wrote once. The one with the flying beagles.

I was going to try to make this post a little funny and/or interesting, by the way, but I've only had 4 hours sleep. Damn you, Buffistas, damn you.


Tim Minear - Jun 16, 2005 11:06:23 pm PDT #9400 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

Kevin, I won't say I haven't had my run-ins with posters over the years. I've been around since before Lois and Clark, and always have posted under my own name. But I don't think it's any different than any kind of ongoing concern.

(Edited because that last part was really bitchy.)