Tim -- Oh, no, I've always respected how you've dealt with criticism, here & elsewhere. 'Cause I certainly expected you to think I was a complete asshole, and I felt kinda bad about that, so it was nice to find out you didn't. I truly meant just what I said, that I think you may have either read the TWoP boards on particularly bad days, or you may remember negative comments more than positive ones (which, again, I totally get). At least on the Angel boards, I think you're probably held in higher esteem than anyone else, including Joss, and a big part of that is because you'll say things like, "Yeah, sorry about TOGoM." Everything else was very Not About Your Post. I've had sort of a weird week as far as people talking about TWoP, plus being tired, so... yeah. Any venting was aimed at the world, not you in particular.

I, too, am curious about this Tornado Penis thing. Ahem.

And yes, Shack did Tru Calling. Damn him. I'm always getting credited for his jokes. It's like the "That was a great line!" "Er, thanks, but Joss wrote that one..." thing.

Well, I loved Shack's Tru Calling recaps. We actually... well, me, actually printed them out at Wonderfalls and read them out loud. And I'm still sorry about TOGoM.

And as far as that repost... uh, whatever. Never wrote for Buffy, never did S&M on Angel. I mean, I know I didn't anyway, and not sure the show ever did either (the way the poster suggests, with allusions to safe words and blah blah lifestyle blah.) Mark Fish pitched this story, and so far as I know he didn't write for Buffy either. Jesus, they didn't dig the show. Uh, got it. But the dime store psychoanalysis? I mean, jesus, I wrote lots more about blood drinkin', but nobody ever thought maybe "I must really do it or want to."

never did S&M on Angel. I mean, I know I didn't anyway, and not sure the show ever did either

I think you should blame DeKnight. "Deep Down" led to the recap I was afraid I'd have to explain to my mother. And it can't possibly be me reading into things. I'm positively saintly. I swear.

Tim,

Wasn't there a fall out with one of the alt.tv.angel posters (who you had happened to have met at a conference or something)? I might have been imagining it, I just seemed to recall something being mentioned in uk.media.tv.angel years back (and we are talking years here).

I think you handle the online stuff very (very) well, Tim. I remember the first time I noticed you posted online, seeing a thread bashing Angel on UMTA quite badly, and you piping in the middle of it to give some kind of useful information about the episode. At the time I kinda thought "Jesus. If I'd written that episode, I don't think I'd be helping people out in that thread."

I do remember slagging Tim off for that horrid Buffy episode he wrote once. The one with the flying beagles.

I was going to try to make this post a little funny and/or interesting, by the way, but I've only had 4 hours sleep. Damn you, Buffistas, damn you.

Kevin, I won't say I haven't had my run-ins with posters over the years. I've been around since before Lois and Clark, and always have posted under my own name. But I don't think it's any different than any kind of ongoing concern.

(Edited because that last part was really bitchy.)

Tim, you magnificent bastard. I just nearly got fired because of you. I went to find Shack's Tru Calling episode recaps, and was sat pissing myself laughing in the office.

Unfortuately I work in IT so probably shouldn't be sat reading this stuff all day. I was a little obvious.

I think I've just found something I need to print and start reading tonight.

"Previously: Network executives took television shows that were poorly received and watched by nobody and CANCELLED them. They CANCELLED the hell out of them. And life was good. And the world moved on."

I mean, jesus, I wrote lots more about blood drinkin', but nobody ever thought maybe "I must really do it or want to."

Define nobody.

I chained Angel to a bed because he was potentially murdering in his sleep.

And the "nocturnal commissions" line during was perfectly innocent and represented how entirely non-porny the scene was intended to be, eh? I've got your number, Dungeon McManacles!

Although I'd dearly love to see Allyson's late night pager scene with new added special guest star, Danny hasn't pinged me in that way at all. And my TV/film character gaydar (as opposed to the real life version) is virtually infallible. Is there something in a future script that contributes to the impression?

Also. I liked TOGoM. I liked it for ridiculous reasons. But still.

Kiba, I don't think most people in the FF fandom knew that. At least not until much much later. I was just some bitter, awful person who should be fired. (hee. fired.)

Then I suppose I could see how they maybe might leap to that conclusion. I think maybe I'm so used to seeing "Kristen, who runs TimMinear.net," that I thought even people who don't know you might know your loyalties. (That isn't quite the word I wanted, but it will have to do. I just woke up.)

Hey, man, I've already seen 'shippers.

Yes, but there are 'shippers for everything. There are people who ship Snyder/(Your Favorite Character Here). 'Shippers don't need text. They will settle for subtext or the fancy flights of their imaginations. I'm just relieved that (it seems) the show isn't about that. I don't want to see a cool crime drama become a weepy romance.

Oh wait, this is a Tim Minear production.

I'm okay, then. Were there to be any romance, it would be snarky.

Danny and Mel could get it on at any time.

I feel like they're more likely to break into a siblingly fight. I've seen no tension there.

Kiba borrowed my brain because I thought it had a very Jane air to it, too.

Cash, this is not so - I thought Mark Fish had written it, and then looked it up and saw Jane E., and doubted myself. But you are right, it did have some Jane-ish bits. In the middle of the episode I said, "I must go look up this Mark Fish person. I like his writing."

was Angel with or without shirt? 'Cause that's the true test.

Where I come from, we call this the -mere- test.

Minear may want to emulate CSI, but leave out the judgement.

As I said earlier - I felt the show provided a very balanced perspective, if anything, went a bit heavy on scolding poor, judgmental Paul. I can't imagine Web would be all, "Actually, Paul, S&M play can be a beautiful thing if it is between consenting partners who share great affection for one another." Or "Paul, ballgags are nice." Or any number of other things in that vein. It's not his job, it's not in his character, it would make it a TOTALLY different show.

Now that I've said all that, I realized they were probably calling CSI judgmental, and not The Inside. Oops.

I do remember slagging Tim off for that horrid Buffy episode he wrote once. The one with the flying beagles.

Boy that is an awful episode. I think that's why my boyfriend stopped watching.