I'm supposed to deliver you to the Master now. There's this whole deal where I get to be immortal. Are you cool with that?

Xander ,'Lessons'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


JohnSweden - Jun 28, 2004 6:07:10 am PDT #895 of 10001
I can't even.

Calli, there's a bibliography page here:

CJ Cherryh

Where to start? Wow. Depends. How about Downbelow Station, or The Pride of Chanur or Gate of Ivrel or Cyteen or Forty Thousand in Gehenna?

marty, I thought Joe Haldeman's The Forever War was engaging and horrifying and I think it is still an important book 30 years later. I read it as a perfect counter-point to Starship Troopers, but I'm not sure that juxtaposition is relevant anymore.

ETA: really cool x-post with DX.

P-C, I like the Ender books. Pastwatch was good too. I thought the Alvin Maker books, at least the first few, were good reads too.


DXMachina - Jun 28, 2004 6:08:16 am PDT #896 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Heh, good x-post there, John.


Calli - Jun 28, 2004 6:21:18 am PDT #897 of 10001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Thanks, JohnS.

Cyteen's description at Amazon looks pretty interesting. I'll add it to my "look for at library" list.


§ ita § - Jun 28, 2004 6:35:50 am PDT #898 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Cyteen is a fascinating book, but it might be a little dense. I had to read it twice to be sure I wasn't sure. But I liked it.

I loved Orson Scott Card, but he makes Joss's absent father trope look like nothing when he pulls out the traumatized young boy guns.

Plus I want to smack him for the Seventh Son crap.

I stopped reading SF for a while, because all I wanted was Bull, Brust or Butler, and they were going too slowly.


JohnSweden - Jun 28, 2004 6:42:50 am PDT #899 of 10001
I can't even.

I stopped reading SF for a while, because all I wanted was Bull, Brust or Butler, and they were going too slowly.

I've been through phases exactly like that. Particularly with Emma and Steven and their contemporaries. One time what I did to get out of it, was to go back and pore over lists of stuff that Terri Windling was editing for Ace (and then Tor) and make sure I had read all of it. I found a few new authors and books that way. The shortcut way to do this is to pull out the Year's Best Fantasy and Horror that she edits with Ellen Datlow and scan that for unread writers.

I loved Orson Scott Card, but he makes Joss's absent father trope look like nothing when he pulls out the traumatized young boy guns.

So much Word. He wore me out. I haven't gone back to read him since.


arby - Jun 28, 2004 6:54:45 am PDT #900 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

I love OSC, although I got bored with Alvin Maker about three books in. All the others were pretty much awesome. I HATED Xenocide, but the Ender books after that - Ender's Shadow and Puppet Masters - were great. Also adore Brust and have read them all about fifty times. Haven't read enough Bull. Butler - I really liked that series about the Seeds and the Garden (memfault and too lazy to Google) and there was one more, but need to read the rest of them.


Nutty - Jun 28, 2004 6:55:10 am PDT #901 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I need to rub Orson Scott Card all over with a child development textbook. Also, a thesaurus. Maybe a psychiatrist too.

Maybe I could just lock him in a room with 10 toddlers and have them do my work for me?

Cyteen was the Cherryh book I tried, and it didn't work on me. I kept being distracted by the authorial tactics, and hated the protagonists. I keep feeling like I ought to read more of Cherryh, but in that homework way and not in the way that actually puts her high on my to-do list.


arby - Jun 28, 2004 6:58:52 am PDT #902 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

Also I am on the Dragaera mailing list and they talk about Buffy sometimes. One of the posters has a .sig with a Buffy quote. Brust himself posts on the list not infrequently, usually to "clear up" some dispute by saying something even more controversial. He's like Joss that way.

ETA Ooh, ooh, I forgot to mention Samuel R. Delany. I LOVE him.


Polter-Cow - Jun 28, 2004 7:01:57 am PDT #903 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I HATED Xenocide

Xenocide was fine except for the fact that I wanted to bitchslap the little Chinese girl with OCD or the interplanetary equivalent. Children of the Mind kind of sucked, however. The first two Ender books rock, and the new Ender books are very interesting in all their political machinations and whatnot.


arby - Jun 28, 2004 7:16:34 am PDT #904 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

Oh yeah, forgot about Children of the Mind. I must have blocked it from my memory due to the aforementioned suckage.