I am a large, semi-muscular man. I can take it. Don't hide behind Mal 'cause you know he'll shoot it down for you. Tell me.

Wash ,'War Stories'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Gris - Jun 28, 2004 9:29:59 am PDT #905 of 10001
Hey. New board.

I'm surprised no one's mentioned Orson Scott Card. I love the Ender books and Pastwatch.

Well, to be fair, the conversation did start out at HARD science fiction writers, and, love Card though i do, he's not hard.

Pastwatch was very cool. I like all of the Ender books, especially the first run, though Xenocide and Children of the Mind were definitely far worse than the first two. (Also, they were originally intended to be one novel, which I can tell on reading.) But I've probably read Ender's Game 20-plus times, it still stands as his masterpiece. Read his first two Alvin Makers, but never got any further - they were pretty cool, though. Liked Songmaster, Wyrms, and Treason too. I also really like his short stories, or many of them, and Maps in the Mirror, his entire collection, is now in print again. I need to pick up a copy...

I think Forever War and Starship Troopers serve as perfect counterpoints, still. I usually recommend both of them to people interested in space-war science fiction. I love them both.

I think I'll be leaving this coffeehouse soon and finding a bookstore...


Polter-Cow - Jun 28, 2004 9:52:02 am PDT #906 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Well, to be fair, the conversation did start out at HARD science fiction writers, and, love Card though i do, he's not hard.

How do you define a "hard science fiction writer"?

(Also, they were originally intended to be one novel, which I can tell on reading.)

Yes, they were, and I'm kind of glad they were split up, cause it allows me to hate Children of the Mind on its own while still being able to like most of Xenocide.


§ ita § - Jun 28, 2004 9:55:02 am PDT #907 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How do you define a "hard science fiction writer"?

Why don't you just come out and beg for porn?

Wait, no, you just did.


Allyson - Jun 28, 2004 10:21:14 am PDT #908 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Another script signed by Tim on eBay for charity.

They advertise that a script signed by the writer is extremely rare and also that the fasteners are "industry standard."

I laugh and laugh. But it's for the LA Food Bank for those with deep pockets who would like to bid.


Kristen - Jun 28, 2004 10:39:50 am PDT #909 of 10001

Can we chip in and buy that for Shawn?


libkitty - Jun 28, 2004 11:20:02 am PDT #910 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Long, long ago (perhaps 2 months), when I was talking about Cowboy Bebop the movie, and how horrid it was, someone suggested that I watch the episodes instead. Well, the first two DVDs finally came in on interlibrary loan, and I watched most of the first one over the weekend. I have got to say, wow! They are pretty darned good so far. I can certainly see the similarities with Firefly, enough so that I would watch these on tv if I didn't have Firefly. Of course Firefly is better, and would be even if these weren't animated, which is a tough hurdle for me.

Before anyone gets on my case, I am not at all saying that Firefly copied them. There is plenty of Firefly that is original, as well as that which is copied from a multitude of sources (which is meant as a compliment. It's what makes the Firefly 'verse so real). The writing on Firefly is immensely better (I'm not sure how much of that is from translating Cowboy Bebop, and how much is just inherently better). But the plots have the same touch of quirk and lack of total resolution; the characters are different, but have the same feeling of completeness even without all the backstory; there is some similarity to the "sets" (i.e. the gates look a lot like the net in OMR, although their use is completely different). Plus, the music is just shiny. The intro reminds me of The Avengers. Lovely.

I don't know if anyone involved with Firefly ever even saw Cowboy Bebop. I wouldn't say the similarity would be enough to cause problems with copyright or licensing, but what a shiny, shiny show.

And it's pretty humorous listening to them dubbed in English with English subtitles that barely match. I find myself picking and choosing between the two for the one that I like best. I guess that's one way to improve writing!

xpost with Firefly 3, because my brain is a sieve, and I don't remember which one I had discussed it on.


Wolfram - Jun 28, 2004 1:24:44 pm PDT #911 of 10001
Visilurking

I'm surprised no one's mentioned Orson Scott Card. I love the Ender books and Pastwatch.

I loved Ender's Game, Treason, and especially the Worthing Chronicles/Saga. But I'm finding that the characters in his series grow increasingly Mary-Suish and annoying the longer the series go on. I've also gotten very turned off by his personal views on politics and homosexuality.


Mikey - Jun 28, 2004 4:30:05 pm PDT #912 of 10001
All this time, I thought Hunter was a bitch. Turns out she was just hungry.

I've been reading a fantasy series by Laurell K. Hamilton, about a private detective named Meredith Gentry. It's a little bit sexy.


SailAweigh - Jun 28, 2004 5:51:54 pm PDT #913 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Merry Gentry a little bit sexy is like saying Spike is a little bit dead!


DCJensen - Jun 28, 2004 5:58:47 pm PDT #914 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

He's only mostly dead.