I am not...I am not the damsel in distress. I am not some case. I have to work this. I've lived in a cave for 5 years in a world where they killed my kind like cattle. I am not going to be cut down by some monster flu. I am better than that. What a wonder...how very scared I am.

Fred ,'A Hole in the World'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Noumenon - May 22, 2005 5:55:34 am PDT #7056 of 10001
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

Until Tim pointed it out, I didn't even realize it could apply to the whole political situation of Israel.

This might be hard to find, but you are The Nilly. Do you know where this was said?


Jesse - May 22, 2005 6:02:39 am PDT #7057 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

It's so funny, because I swear my "barriers" are sci-fi and fantasy. I don't seek them out and never think I'll like them. Shows about crime and killing, otoh? Right up my (dark and scary) alley. So I'd be checking out The Inside no matter what, I'm sure.


SailAweigh - May 22, 2005 7:25:00 am PDT #7058 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

or the special powers a human being needs in order to fight vampires is much less interesting to me, than the people involved in those situations, their stories, and the way these stories resonate in my life and thoughts.

I have to admit, this was my biggest barrier to watching Buffy and why I didn't start watching until season 6, after I'd gotten a healthy dose of a Thanksgiving Day BtVS marathon on FX. I watched one and couldn't stop watching. Yet, if it was a book, I would have picked it right up. Which makes one stop and think about what one wants from a book vs a TV show. But that's a different topic for another day.

My biggest barrier is sitcoms. Hates 'em all. There isn't a single one out there (in my mind, not necessarily anyone elses) that doesn't portray all people as exceedingly stupid and can't do anything without someone else coming along to bail them out and point out the error of their ways in a cutesy way. Barf. I hate cutesy. The only sitcom I even half-way liked was Roseanne and even that turned my stomach more often than not. Not because of the writing, but because of the basic premise. Totally dysfunctional family still manages to hold it all together and raise fine. upstanding. children! Married with Children made me gag, too. And don't let me get started on the Simpsons or any of that ilk.

I honestly like procedurals and medical shows, but I don't watch each and everyone just because that's what they are. Like Cindy, I grew up watching all the same cop shows yet I've never been a Hill Street Blues, an NYPD Blues, a Homicide fan or any of the current crop of cop shows. It's not so much that there's a barrier, but there's no compelling reason to watch them. No one's said to me "you must sit down and watch this because." And I've found that that is what I need. Testimonial.

TV promos are pretty much wasted on me, even if I get a chance to see one. I didn't start watching Alias until the second season after one of my coworkers kept raving about it and I figured I just had to try it. The only reason I'm watching Tim's is because I hang out here and I know about it through this forum. I haven't caught a single promo because there's no shows on FOX I'm currently watching. I've picked up Desperate Housewives and Grey's Anatomy from word of mouth, not from promos or because it's a "genre" that I prefer. I probably bust the hell out demographics and give marketing departments heartburn because they have no idea how to get to me.


Allyson - May 22, 2005 7:57:26 am PDT #7059 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Allyson, I lurve you.

Of course you do.

You really needn't protect me so.

You say that now.

My barriers to entry are definately all about the half hour family comedy. I don't love Raymond. Or King of Queens.

Any show about a fat, dumb, ugly dude who has no redeeming qualities married to a smart, beautiful, constantly annoyed woman makes me insane. The Flintstones and The Simpsons without the animation. Bleh.

Alias is another one I can't get into. The pretty isn't enough to get me through the constant abuse of being Abramed.


Allyson - May 22, 2005 9:13:14 am PDT #7060 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Yeah, I'm kind of sad Scott's getting killed off in the dead-baby episode.

I read it. It's gonna rip your heart out and serve it up with herbed new potatoes and a slice of cocolate cake for dessert.

It's pretty yummy. And terrifying. And Tim.


Astarte - May 22, 2005 9:36:42 am PDT #7061 of 10001
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.

Any show about a fat, dumb, ugly dude who has no redeeming qualities married to a smart, beautiful, constantly annoyed woman makes me insane. The Flintstones and The Simpsons without the animation. Bleh.

Allyson and I share a barrier.

More than one, most likely, but this one's a definite co-op.


Kevin - May 22, 2005 9:44:13 am PDT #7062 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

SailAweigh, marketing companies can't reach you, if you don't really buy into marketing. This is, of course, where the internet comes in. Or internet fandom, rather. I strongly suspects sites such as Buffistas have more of an impact in general viewing habits than people give them credit for. If you'd taken BTVS back a decade or two before t'interweb, I can't imagine it surviving so long.


Lilty Cash - May 22, 2005 9:51:06 am PDT #7063 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

I finally saw my first teaser for the show. I can't wait.


Consuela - May 22, 2005 10:55:43 am PDT #7064 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Hey, Allyson-- I gave your email addy to my pal Liz of SMRT-tv fame, so if something from a total stranger shows up in your inbox, that's who that is.


AnthonyDe - May 22, 2005 11:00:25 am PDT #7065 of 10001
A One that isn't cold, is scarcely A One at all.

Tim's post there was very informative.

I'm interested to see so many (sf and fantasy) genre fans turning up their noses at the cop/thriller genre.

I think I'm one of those. Not so much I'm turning up my nose but sf and fantasy is my genre of choice. On the other hand I love cop shows. Enjoyed NYPD Blue, hell I even watched the Ed O'Neill LA Dragnet. In fairness I haven't been getting cop/thriller so much from the promos. I'm getting a creepy horror tone.

My "procedural" is really a character drama disguised as a procedural.

I think we all have the same frame of reference when the word "procedural" is used. Let's face it there are a lot of them. What I know outside of here, which are the promos, is that the main character was a victim and she uses that experience in her work. I also know that everyone in the unit seems to have a "problem" that it seems they draw on as well. I suppose if they decide on a template for the promos there is no breaking it. I'd be interested to see one that emphasized the cop/character drama stuff primarily, lightly salted with the creepy.

For some folks I suspect the FBI violent crimes/John Douglas thing will be what the execs call a "barrier to entry."

"Barrier to entry." I love jargon. What's the opposite to barrier to entry I wonder? Yeah the violent crime is a concern for me. I guess I get my fill from the news. For some people it's entirely the opposite. I've been meaning to trot out this article. Horror Films Boom Amid War, Anxiety