And Kaylee, what the hell's goin' on in the engine room? Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?

Mal ,'The Train Job'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Strega - Mar 07, 2005 9:13:08 pm PST #5135 of 10001

Because we like community!

Heh. But honestly, yeah. It's an accepted part of the female fandom.

Consuela, I edited the last post as you were replying, I think. Y'all are too speedy for me. So that might answer you. (And this is all totally subjective, obviously. I have this great fear that I'm going to step on toes, which I truly don't want to do.) My impression is that a woman who writes a m/m story gets validated for being taboo-breaking and airing subtext and undermining the patriarchy, and a man who writes an f/f story is seen as creepy by female fans, so it's taken to other venues.

ETA: I have the sinking sensation that Minear will pop in now all, "So Strega, what kind of porn are you reading?" at which point I will curl up and die.


Alibelle - Mar 07, 2005 11:41:04 pm PST #5136 of 10001
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

I really have nothing further to add, but I'd like you all to know that I like ALL of you, mostly because you're all so skilled at being well-behaved and articulate, and I like being on your fandom team.

Also, if you like me back, you're free to share cupcakes and/or girl scout cookies with me, as I am accepting those at this time. Thank you.


UTTAD - Mar 08, 2005 1:50:17 am PST #5137 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.

Fandom could skew female because men might keep a low profile because they are universally painted as fat, thirty year old virgins living with their parents.


DXMachina - Mar 08, 2005 2:51:26 am PST #5138 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

And there's just a point where you either move on or you just buy yourself a Klingon costume and go with it.


tommyrot - Mar 08, 2005 4:16:45 am PST #5139 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Qochbe'!


DCJensen - Mar 08, 2005 5:15:44 am PST #5140 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Fandom could skew female because men might keep a low profile because they are universally painted as fat, thirty year old virgins living with their parents.

Hey! They are also painted as thin, pale ...thirty year old virgins living with their parents.


UTTAD - Mar 08, 2005 5:23:14 am PST #5141 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.

Only the Goth ones.


Nutty - Mar 08, 2005 5:31:43 am PST #5142 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

thin, pale ...thirty year old virgins living with their parents.

No, Daniel. Those are vampires.

I suspect that TV fandom may be overall female-dominated for historical reasons -- TV fandom's relationship with SF fandom. In the 1960s, SF fandom was overwhelmingly male-dominated (although there were female fen, they weren't by any means in charge). Star Trek comes along, and brings in a huge number of new fans of both sexes; the new men aer not remarked upon, but the new women really are. Most of the fanzine history of the 1970s that I have read has been a dual debate over (a) whether women "belong" in SF fandom, and then (b) whether Trek is SF fandom at all.

Sort of like, if you can't beat them, define them out of your club. Active Trek fandom has always had a powerful female presence, and is the template from which most other TV fandoms drew their behaviors. SF fandom basically ceded the TV fandom territory to women entirely, and then fought a useless rearguard action against women in all its other specialties as well.


Allyson - Mar 08, 2005 5:37:17 am PST #5143 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

With my parties, you'll notice a hugely disproportionate number of really hot women in pretty dresses. I'll never figure out why more men don't attend these things.

Chances are good, yo.


Betsy HP - Mar 08, 2005 5:38:07 am PST #5144 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

they are universally painted as fat, thirty year old virgins living with their parents.

Same goes for the women.