Very convincing. Makes me completely want to put myself under government control. Please take me to where you can make me unconscious and naked.

Riley ,'Help'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


DCJensen - Mar 08, 2005 5:15:44 am PST #5140 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Fandom could skew female because men might keep a low profile because they are universally painted as fat, thirty year old virgins living with their parents.

Hey! They are also painted as thin, pale ...thirty year old virgins living with their parents.


UTTAD - Mar 08, 2005 5:23:14 am PST #5141 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.

Only the Goth ones.


Nutty - Mar 08, 2005 5:31:43 am PST #5142 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

thin, pale ...thirty year old virgins living with their parents.

No, Daniel. Those are vampires.

I suspect that TV fandom may be overall female-dominated for historical reasons -- TV fandom's relationship with SF fandom. In the 1960s, SF fandom was overwhelmingly male-dominated (although there were female fen, they weren't by any means in charge). Star Trek comes along, and brings in a huge number of new fans of both sexes; the new men aer not remarked upon, but the new women really are. Most of the fanzine history of the 1970s that I have read has been a dual debate over (a) whether women "belong" in SF fandom, and then (b) whether Trek is SF fandom at all.

Sort of like, if you can't beat them, define them out of your club. Active Trek fandom has always had a powerful female presence, and is the template from which most other TV fandoms drew their behaviors. SF fandom basically ceded the TV fandom territory to women entirely, and then fought a useless rearguard action against women in all its other specialties as well.


Allyson - Mar 08, 2005 5:37:17 am PST #5143 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

With my parties, you'll notice a hugely disproportionate number of really hot women in pretty dresses. I'll never figure out why more men don't attend these things.

Chances are good, yo.


Betsy HP - Mar 08, 2005 5:38:07 am PST #5144 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

they are universally painted as fat, thirty year old virgins living with their parents.

Same goes for the women.


Allyson - Mar 08, 2005 5:40:45 am PST #5145 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Same goes for the women.

I have pics that prove otherwise. When I got onstage at W&H Annual Revue, I remember thinking, "dear god, my fandom is hot."


Dana - Mar 08, 2005 5:40:46 am PST #5146 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

At the most recent con I went to, there were two friends who had met each other picketing NBC when they canceled Trek for the first time. They've been friends for 40 years now. How freaking cool is that?


amych - Mar 08, 2005 5:42:47 am PST #5147 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

men might keep a low profile because they are universally painted as fat, thirty year old virgins living with their parents.

Nah -- they were painted that way long before there were a lot of women in fandom. Not to mention in fandoms that are still male-dominated -- think of the comics shop guy on the Simpsons.


Allyson - Mar 08, 2005 5:44:16 am PST #5148 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Teh Seth may turn that stereotype around.


victor infante - Mar 08, 2005 6:05:01 am PST #5149 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Teh Seth may turn that stereotype around.

Comics are cool again, but fandoms? I think you're talking a different beast, there. Still, demographics for these things are definitely changing, and I think "Buffy" crystallized a lot of that, so who knows?

And as for men writing fan fic, how come when ever this conversation comes up, the focus is immediately on sexual pairings. A few of us are male, married professionals who like to write episodic stories that don't focus on sex. (Although I admit I'm the guy whose stories have Oz/Justine and a Dawn/Xander in the year 2023.)