Simon: I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can... How do I know you won't kill me in my sleep? Mal: You don't know me, son. So let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.

'Serenity'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 6:09:04 pm PST #5125 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

FUCK YOU FOR WATCHING. REGARDS, THE MGMT.

See, I heard Buffy wakes up in an institution having hallucinated the show.

Hah! Can I tag that, Allyson?

Sure. With my apologies to autistic hermaphrodites. I'm sure some Buffista, somewhere, knows one who is an exception to the autistic hermaphrodite stereotype.


victor infante - Mar 07, 2005 6:23:24 pm PST #5126 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I'm sure some Buffista, somewhere, knows one who is an exception to the autistic hermaphrodite stereotype.

Nah, that's pretty much him. Her. Whatever.


Strega - Mar 07, 2005 7:08:49 pm PST #5127 of 10001

So I can't say for sure, but it certainly feels like fanfiction is produced by far more women than men, and I don't think that's an error of perception.

I think that's sort of true, but... the fanfiction that men write is often posted to porn sites, not fanfic archives. Because, well, literary merit isn't so much the focus, maybe. If you factor that in, I think the male-female balance comes closer to even. I suspect that it'd still favor women slightly, because I think writing fanfic is a more accepted cultural part of fandom among women, and gets more positive reinforcement from other women.

It's sort of like how the guys argue about what the spaceship does, and the women argue about what the characters on the ship are thinking. And the second one leads into writing fanfic a lot more easily. When talking about characters, it's easier for women to say "I related to this because of something that happened to me..." whereas I think men often feel uncomfortable having that kind of conversation in what's essentially a public venue.

Speaking very, very generally and without intending to suggest that women never argue about spaceships and men never talk about characters, and etc.


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 7:32:49 pm PST #5128 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Because, well, literary merit isn't so much the focus, maybe.

*cough* PWP *cough*

My point being that women can porn it up with great enthusiasm and elan.


DavidS - Mar 07, 2005 7:48:34 pm PST #5129 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

If you factor that in, I think the male-female balance comes closer to even.

Really? I always got the impression that fanfic was much more of a woman fan phenomenon. But I don't really have a sense of how big male written fan porn is to compare.


Consuela - Mar 07, 2005 8:13:29 pm PST #5130 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

the fanfiction that men write is often posted to porn sites, not fanfic archives.

Huh. But is it fanfic, or porn? I mean, the PWP in fanfic is at least intended to be read as those particular characters. Most of the time, anyway. And it's provided to the rest of the fandom as part of the fannish experience.

I'm not explaining my question very well, am I? Sigh.I


Strega - Mar 07, 2005 8:24:06 pm PST #5131 of 10001

Oh, no, I'm not saying women aren't writing porn! Just that when women write it, it gets shared as fanfic that's also porn, not as porn that's also fanfic. I think I'm not having a very articulate evening. Let me try this: it's posted on lists geared to fans rather than alt.sex.stories or whatever.

I don't really have a sense of how big male written fan porn is to compare.

Archives like Literotica.com have a big "celebrities" section, which includes, uh, real-person whatever and fanfic. (I don't know all the terms.) I find it personally squicksome, but...yeah. It's harder to identify the author's sex, but there's a lot more f/f stuff, which makes me suspect it might veer toward male writers.


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 8:27:23 pm PST #5132 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

it's posted on lists geared to fans rather than alt.sex.stories or whatever.

Because we like community!

Although -- circle jerk -- that's a commitment to community few women can match.


Consuela - Mar 07, 2005 8:29:22 pm PST #5133 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Oh, no, I'm not saying women aren't writing porn!

No, I know. I was trying to ask what you explained -- that what women write is shared as NC-17 fic, whereas what these guys write is shared as porn that happens to be about tv characters. That's what's going on?

Huh.

Although -- circle jerk -- that's a commitment to community few women can match.

Heh.


P.M. Marc - Mar 07, 2005 8:31:38 pm PST #5134 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

There's a lot of fairly gen male-written fic in comics fandom. (There's also a lot of really, really bad femslash, but that falls more under the porn point, I suppose.) It's probably still safe to say that comics fic is mainly a male-written area.