It's because you didn't have a strong father figure isn't it?

Joyce ,'Chosen'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Consuela - Mar 07, 2005 3:42:33 pm PST #5117 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Whereas Suela, for Farscape, did everything short of putting a DVD in her garter and flashing it on streetcorners. And more power to her.

Bwah.

Hmm. I know I'm late to the party (damned filters), but.

I think the gender distribution in fandom (between shows and distributed over time) involves a variety of factors. To wit, a number of gross generalizations that influence gender distribution, I think:

  • More men than women had online access in the early years of the Internet, as it was mostly confined to high tech companies and computer departments in universities.
  • Shows with a lot of technical gee-wizzery and flashy CGI tend to draw more male fans than shows with less flashiness and more character interaction. (Also, see Nutty's comment about non-TV fandoms such as sports fandoms.)
  • The rise of mailing lists provided forums for people (i.e., women) to talk semi-privately about their obsessions that they wouldn't necessarily want to talk about in public. This goes back to the traditional image of pimpled fanboys.
  • The advent of the Web, the daylighting of fanfiction to people who don't attend cons, draws less-technically-skilled people (i.e., women) into active participation of fandom. They can participate on their own time, at their own level. They can lurk and still get the good stuff, without having to spend money or leave the house. (This is definitely my experience: without the internet, I would be a fan without a fandom.)

That's just a few, off the top of my head. Women have always been involved in fandom (See Bjo Trimble spearheading the first Trek campaign), but it took the rise of TV fandom and the easy access to other people and content (i.e., fic and commentary and resource pages) to make entire fandoms feel so overwhelmingly female.

I'm not convinced all, or even most, TV fandoms are disproportionately female. That's my experience, even in Farscape (there are and were men involved in the campaign all along, but it's true that most of the major players are female). My experience is not all of fandom: it's not cosplay or Star Wars or the fanfilm community or the convention-going groups. So I can't say for sure, but it certainly feels like fanfiction is produced by far more women than men, and I don't think that's an error of perception.

And I'm damned if I know why. I wish someone would figure it out.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 07, 2005 4:34:07 pm PST #5118 of 10001
What is even happening?

She hasn't got the Dutch Cocoa.
Or the cake flour.
And I do TOO have cake flour. I just want ALL the cake flour. Why, so you can put it all in raisin cakes designed to seduce Lee under false pretense and potentially kill her?
I like it when other people bake the cake and then bring it to me.

Sadly, that hasn't been happening lately, but oh well.

There should be a new tradition. Second baby showers aren't done, but what about a "Just Desserts" party, where you get cake?


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 4:39:14 pm PST #5119 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Second baby showers aren't done? I just got robbed, then.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 07, 2005 4:54:47 pm PST #5120 of 10001
What is even happening?

How far apart in age are the babies, ita? Was there a shower for the first? Is this a work thing? Is the family having tough times? As a rule, you don't have showers for a second baby. In practice, some people do it anyhow. Just like all the other rules.


aurelia - Mar 07, 2005 5:04:16 pm PST #5121 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

FOX just aired a promo for a new show starting in April... starring Pamela Anderson.


victor infante - Mar 07, 2005 5:09:59 pm PST #5122 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Re: waaaaay earlier joke on someone, anyone trying to save "Enterprise," the following is from Warren Ellis' newsletter, and begins with a snippet from Jolene Blalock being interviewed:

"I mean, we started out with 13 million viewers on the pilot, and we somehow managed to drive 11 million of them away."

There is an awkward silence when the subject of the final episode is broached.

"I don't know where to begin with that one," she finally stammers. "The final episode is ... appalling."

It is perfumed with the distinct scent of FuckIt, is it not?

One rumour has it that the last episode explains away the entirety of the series as a holographic novel experienced by crew members on the old Patrick Stewart Enterprise. With Bobby Ewing masturbating ferociously in the shower.

I believe I previously mentioned that they could have replaced current episodes with a placard reading FUCK YOU FOR WATCHING. REGARDS, THE MGMT.


JoeCrow - Mar 07, 2005 6:01:29 pm PST #5123 of 10001
"what's left when you take biology and sociology out of the picture?" "An autistic hermaphodite." -Allyson

what's left when you take biology and sociology out of the picture?

An autistic hermaphodite.

Hah! Can I tag that, Allyson?

Suela's an exhibitionist. That's all. Like I'm a krav exhibitionist, but that doesn't mean I'm in a martial arts fandom.

No, as I understand it, that means you're in a cult.

And I always thought that the reason so many fandom things were organised by the closer-to-the-earth posse was because all the organisation minded menfolk were out maintaining The Patriarchy.

Well, not so much "always thought" as "just made up", but whatever.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 07, 2005 6:08:33 pm PST #5124 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

"I mean, we started out with 13 million viewers on the pilot, and we somehow managed to drive 11 million of them away." [emphasis mine]

I feel that somebody should rent a billboard outside Jolene's bedroom window and put a picture of Kirstie Alley as Saavik on one half and Blalock's space catsuit with a red circle and diagonal slash over it on the other.


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 6:09:04 pm PST #5125 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

FUCK YOU FOR WATCHING. REGARDS, THE MGMT.

See, I heard Buffy wakes up in an institution having hallucinated the show.

Hah! Can I tag that, Allyson?

Sure. With my apologies to autistic hermaphrodites. I'm sure some Buffista, somewhere, knows one who is an exception to the autistic hermaphrodite stereotype.


victor infante - Mar 07, 2005 6:23:24 pm PST #5126 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I'm sure some Buffista, somewhere, knows one who is an exception to the autistic hermaphrodite stereotype.

Nah, that's pretty much him. Her. Whatever.