Is someone trying to save it? Why?

They'd raised $3M in pledges last I read.

My unschooled interpretation is that fandoms try to save shows, and that fandoms are primarily female for the shows in questions.

Not fans -- fandoms.

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Is there a "Save Point Pleasant" campaign?

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Yeah, but what is female about that? What is done that guys, by virtue of their goolies, couldn't?

While trying to stay far far from the earth so that I can't decide who's closest to it, I do not think the only difference (between men and women, generally speaking) is our sex organs. If nothing else, I think we are socialized into some differences, and some of that is probably based on us coping for our general difference in size and strength. There are still some general differences, regardless of the whys. Again, all of this is very generally speaking. On an individual level, any way of relating or accomplishing something that one person might tag as a female strenth, could be countered by an example of a man doing it just as well. There are studies about it though, that women smile more when having impersonal conversations, and I don't know what else.

Xpost--Kristin already said what I was trying to say, and better than I did, what with the actual information, and references.

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ita wasn't saying "There is no difference between men and women", but rather "Prove to me that women are more capable of cooperation than men."

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do not think the only difference (between men and women, generally speaking) is our sex organs.

A boy is a boy because of the same genetics that produces their goolies (in basic XX/XY gender mapping). This is the same genetics that leads to their socialisation. Please excuse my flippant shorthand of same, that should embrace both nature and nurture.

That having been said -- men organise things all the time. What's female about this sort of rallying?

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Gender identity is just a fascination of mine, Cindy. One of my minors in college, and I've tried to keep up with the books out there ever since because I've found that it's so relevant to what goes on in my classroom.

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I would agree that women are socialized to be better at that type of cooperative goal achievement.

I keep hearing this (and not just here), but my own experience doesn't back it up. Not saying it's not true on a much larger scale than my life, but gut feeling is that socialization doesn't work as well as the scientists who make this kind of statement would like us to think.

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I guess what I need to know is what "that type" means, and what sorts of organisation aren't that type, and some stats that don't throw the already gender-biased fandoms up as evidence.

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nicest.

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Not saying it's not true on a much larger scale than my life, but gut feeling is that socialization doesn't work as well as the scientists who make this kind of statement would like us to think.

Jess, I mostly agree. Keeping up with the literature is an interesting theoretical exercise, but it often doesn't play out in real life experience. I also think that gender roles have been changing very rapidly in the last decade, even more so than before. It's difficult to track any one sociological effect, I think.

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