If they needed a mother figure, they needed another actor. Not our girl.
Besides, I thought that was what Lorne was for.
I'm not sure how old he is, but I heard him use the word 'newfangled' one time, so he's gotta be pretty far gone.
Dawn ,'Beneath You'
The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
victor infante - Jun 08, 2004 6:24:03 am PDT #438 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Nutty - Jun 08, 2004 6:30:15 am PDT #439 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
My sense of Cordelia's potential was that she would be, you know, Cordelia, in the Shakespearean sense. The one who calls power on its nonsense. (Not the passive-aggressive stuff, nor yet the marrying the king of France.)
The person who can honestly say, "Tact is just not saying true things" is the person I want in charge of bitching out the hypocrites.
Gris - Jun 08, 2004 6:50:50 am PDT #440 of 10001
Hey. New board.
Hmmm. Should have been working, recently. Instead, watched four episodes of Wonderfalls in a row in our lounge. Other people in the lounge seemed to enjoy it. Kept requesting the new episodes.
Sigh. Miss that show.
Still love Jaye.
Allyson - Jun 08, 2004 6:52:18 am PDT #441 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Besides, I thought that was what Lorne was for.
Victor wins the prize! I'm not sure what the prize is.
My sense of Cordelia's potential was that she would be, you know, Cordelia, in the Shakespearean sense. The one who calls power on its nonsense.
THIS! THIS THIS THIS!
Cordy the Way She Should Be would have made Cordy the Way She Turned Out cry and cry.
Our Cordy is pragmatic. She loves in a very honest way and cuts to the chase (no pun) with surgical precision. Cordy would have found the balance between a life and heroism (that Buffy never could), not sacrificing herself for others ALL the time and living in a state of constant martyrdom.
If the other characters were supposed to reflect Angel in some way, Cordy should have reflected Angel's wish for a normal life.
Cordy would have dated and redecorated and we'd see her making plans with friends and such, in between the battle.
Lilty Cash - Jun 08, 2004 6:52:32 am PDT #442 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."
2) the Buffy problem somehow addressed
This was my main problem when I hadn't watched for a bit and heard that blasted radio promo talk about "Cordelia, the love of Angel's life". Almost drove the car off the fricken road.
libkitty - Jun 08, 2004 6:54:43 am PDT #443 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
I like both Manuel and Wyoming.
I finally finished the book. It certainly is a product of its time, isn't it. I found the treatment of women, casual racism, and the lack of certain technological innovations (like cell phones, which are now so ubiquitous) hard to get past. Still the plot was interesting. I'm intrigued to see what Tim will do with it. So, Tim, if you can say and would like to, will you be modernizing the story from the book?
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 08, 2004 7:52:58 am PDT #444 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
My sense of Cordelia's potential was that she would be, you know, Cordelia, in the Shakespearean sense. The one who calls power on its nonsense.
Exactly. This was the girl who respected both Buffy and Angel, and chose to help both for a mix of noble and selfish reasons, but had absolutely no illusions about either of them. Every flaw stood out under her withering gaze, and got commented on—a bursting of the martyr/messiah bubble that both characters sorely needed as their shows' runs went on.
If I ever double back and do 5-minute recaps of Season 4 prior to the reveal of Cordelia's possession by the Big Bad, I'm going to call her Regan.
Invisible Green - Jun 08, 2004 10:06:05 am PDT #445 of 10001
High School Cordy would have stomped on High School Dawn.
Tru Dat.
Of course, I love High School Cordy as much as anyone else, but on Angel, she got a lot more screen time to be fully developed as a character, and a lot of that development includes change. Cordelia matured into St. Cordelia, and I didn't really miss her old snarky self too much because the new character served a different purpose.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 08, 2004 12:28:25 pm PDT #446 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Unfortunately, that purpose seemed to be to drive me into a nigh-homicidal rage.
Trudy Booth - Jun 08, 2004 12:49:51 pm PDT #447 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
I would have enjoyed that. Dawn brought out my inner bully...
It's inner ?