Y'all see the man hanging out of the spaceship with the really big gun? Now I'm not saying you weren't easy to find. It was kinda out of our way, and he didn't want to come in the first place. Man's lookin' to kill some folk. So really it's his will y'all should worry about thwarting.

Mal ,'Safe'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Lilty Cash - Jun 08, 2004 6:52:32 am PDT #442 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

2) the Buffy problem somehow addressed

This was my main problem when I hadn't watched for a bit and heard that blasted radio promo talk about "Cordelia, the love of Angel's life". Almost drove the car off the fricken road.


libkitty - Jun 08, 2004 6:54:43 am PDT #443 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I like both Manuel and Wyoming.

I finally finished the book. It certainly is a product of its time, isn't it. I found the treatment of women, casual racism, and the lack of certain technological innovations (like cell phones, which are now so ubiquitous) hard to get past. Still the plot was interesting. I'm intrigued to see what Tim will do with it. So, Tim, if you can say and would like to, will you be modernizing the story from the book?


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 08, 2004 7:52:58 am PDT #444 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

My sense of Cordelia's potential was that she would be, you know, Cordelia, in the Shakespearean sense. The one who calls power on its nonsense.

Exactly. This was the girl who respected both Buffy and Angel, and chose to help both for a mix of noble and selfish reasons, but had absolutely no illusions about either of them. Every flaw stood out under her withering gaze, and got commented on—a bursting of the martyr/messiah bubble that both characters sorely needed as their shows' runs went on.

If I ever double back and do 5-minute recaps of Season 4 prior to the reveal of Cordelia's possession by the Big Bad, I'm going to call her Regan.


Invisible Green - Jun 08, 2004 10:06:05 am PDT #445 of 10001

High School Cordy would have stomped on High School Dawn.

Tru Dat.

Of course, I love High School Cordy as much as anyone else, but on Angel, she got a lot more screen time to be fully developed as a character, and a lot of that development includes change. Cordelia matured into St. Cordelia, and I didn't really miss her old snarky self too much because the new character served a different purpose.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 08, 2004 12:28:25 pm PDT #446 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Unfortunately, that purpose seemed to be to drive me into a nigh-homicidal rage.


Trudy Booth - Jun 08, 2004 12:49:51 pm PDT #447 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I would have enjoyed that. Dawn brought out my inner bully...

It's inner ?


Jon B. - Jun 08, 2004 1:25:42 pm PDT #448 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Cordelia matured into St. Cordelia

If that's maturity, I'll be in the corner playing with my legos.


Allyson - Jun 08, 2004 5:04:38 pm PDT #449 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

will you be modernizing the story from the book?

Not Tim, nor do I play him on teevee, but I would guess that Tim wouldn't give us silly fucktoy Wyoh. I think that the Loonies as a poor prison mining colony wouldn't so much have much more than the luxuries found in a poor Appalacian farm community.


Jon B. - Jun 08, 2004 5:19:45 pm PDT #450 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

the lack of certain technological innovations (like cell phones, which are now so ubiquitous) hard to get past.

Kids today.... In my day we had two tin cans and a string. And we liked it!


Rick - Jun 08, 2004 5:40:37 pm PDT #451 of 10001

Out of Minearverse solidarity, I have been listening to Moon is a Harsh Mistress on tape over the last couple of weeks. The basic framework, moon colony develops its own culture and wants to break away, certainly offers plenty to work with, but let's hope that Tim doesn't borrow any character development or dialog from the book, because it is terrible. These people are neither believable nor interesting.

I'm almost done with the book now, and I'm convinced that the big surprise at the end is going to be that it is 'science fiction,' written about human beings by an alien species that has had only brief encounters with humans, so they had to make a bunch of stuff up that doesn't seem much like humans at all. Either that, or the book was written by an adolescent male who was surreptitiously reading Tom Swift novels during his Western Civ class and got the two topics confused.