Tim gutted it. Kept Rachel, another actor, and the title, and changed the entire premise of the show.
How do the creators feel about that?
Buffy: How was school today? Dawn: The usual. A big square building filled with boredom and despair.
Buffy: Just how I remember it.
'The Killer In Me'
The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
Polter-Cow - Nov 28, 2004 4:52:59 pm PST #3086 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
libkitty - Nov 28, 2004 4:53:55 pm PST #3087 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
Thrilled to have Tim on board? I hope...
Polter-Cow - Nov 28, 2004 4:56:33 pm PST #3088 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I mean, I'm sure they're happy their show's getting to air...but it doesn't sound like it's their show anymore. Granted, Tim's show sounds better. I'm just saying.
libkitty - Nov 28, 2004 5:10:25 pm PST #3089 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
An ok show that dies before airing or absolutely wonderful show with Tim that airs. I would go with the latter. Sure, it will likely die a few episodes later, but at least it airs. That has to be a step up.
Bitter, me? Naah. If it's possible to be an embittered optimist, that's me when it comes to Tim or Joss TV.
Allyson - Nov 28, 2004 5:14:51 pm PST #3090 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Between the two of them, don't they have like, 300 episodes of television aired? Angel, Firefly, Buffy, XFiles, Wonderfalls, Lois and Clark, Strange World?
libkitty - Nov 28, 2004 5:16:26 pm PST #3091 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
And not all of them were cancelled early, so I guess I shouldn't be so upset. Perhaps it's because it's Sunday and I'm still at work, although heading home finally.
Kristen - Nov 28, 2004 6:06:17 pm PST #3092 of 10001
I mean, I'm sure they're happy their show's getting to air...but it doesn't sound like it's their show anymore.
I doubt they're happy. It's not their script or concept and I'm not sure their names will be attached at all to the finished product. I mean, Tim didn't even keep the names of the characters the same.
Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 28, 2004 8:41:44 pm PST #3093 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
You mean Fox didn't like anything about the show except a couple of the actors, and they went ahead and green-lighted it anyway?
Hey, they have to have something to cancel after airing it on Fridays. These three and four week seasons have to be eating through a lot of the shows in the development pipeline.
Ocipital - Nov 29, 2004 10:33:54 am PST #3094 of 10001
I doubt they're happy. It's not their script or concept and I'm not sure their names will be attached at all to the finished product. I mean, Tim didn't even keep the names of the characters the same
The creators were fired, I doubt there happy about anything.
THE INSIDE (FOX) - Tim Minear ("Wonderfalls," "Angel") has been tapped to redevelop the midseason drama as original creators/executive producers Todd Kessler and Glenn Kessler ("Robbery Homicide Division") have exited the series. Minear will write and direct a new pilot for the project ... It's not clear however how much of the concept will be changed for the new version.
It does sound to me that by rights Tim should get a sole creator credit for this show, given that the only thing it has in common is the name (when plenty of pilots change name, or dont even have one), but I think the WGA rules would prolly mean that they get Created by Kessler & Kessler, and devloped by Tim Minear.
Kristen - Nov 29, 2004 10:44:05 am PST #3095 of 10001
I think the WGA rules would prolly mean that they get Created by Kessler & Kessler, and devloped by Tim Minear.
So I just went and looked it up. The WGA rules state that you get the credit if you created the format of the series or received a "Written by" or "Story by" credit on the pilot. Neither of these really apply here to the Kesslers. At most, I think it would go to arbitration and they'd find that Tim should get sole credit.
Plus I'll get pissy if they only give him the Developed credit.