Lorne: Take care of yourself and ah, make sure fluffy is getting enough love. Gunn: Did he have anything? Fred: No. And who's fluffy? Are you fluffy? Gunn: He called me fluffy? Fred: He said make sure…wait. You don't think he was referring to anything of mine that's fluffy, do you? Because that would just be inappropriate.

'Conviction (1)'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Kristen - Nov 28, 2004 6:06:17 pm PST #3092 of 10001

I mean, I'm sure they're happy their show's getting to air...but it doesn't sound like it's their show anymore.

I doubt they're happy. It's not their script or concept and I'm not sure their names will be attached at all to the finished product. I mean, Tim didn't even keep the names of the characters the same.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 28, 2004 8:41:44 pm PST #3093 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

You mean Fox didn't like anything about the show except a couple of the actors, and they went ahead and green-lighted it anyway?

Hey, they have to have something to cancel after airing it on Fridays. These three and four week seasons have to be eating through a lot of the shows in the development pipeline.


Ocipital - Nov 29, 2004 10:33:54 am PST #3094 of 10001

I doubt they're happy. It's not their script or concept and I'm not sure their names will be attached at all to the finished product. I mean, Tim didn't even keep the names of the characters the same

The creators were fired, I doubt there happy about anything.

THE INSIDE (FOX) - Tim Minear ("Wonderfalls," "Angel") has been tapped to redevelop the midseason drama as original creators/executive producers Todd Kessler and Glenn Kessler ("Robbery Homicide Division") have exited the series. Minear will write and direct a new pilot for the project ... It's not clear however how much of the concept will be changed for the new version.

It does sound to me that by rights Tim should get a sole creator credit for this show, given that the only thing it has in common is the name (when plenty of pilots change name, or dont even have one), but I think the WGA rules would prolly mean that they get Created by Kessler & Kessler, and devloped by Tim Minear.


Kristen - Nov 29, 2004 10:44:05 am PST #3095 of 10001

I think the WGA rules would prolly mean that they get Created by Kessler & Kessler, and devloped by Tim Minear.

So I just went and looked it up. The WGA rules state that you get the credit if you created the format of the series or received a "Written by" or "Story by" credit on the pilot. Neither of these really apply here to the Kesslers. At most, I think it would go to arbitration and they'd find that Tim should get sole credit.

Plus I'll get pissy if they only give him the Developed credit.


Betsy HP - Nov 29, 2004 10:46:58 am PST #3096 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I wonder how the legalities work such that it's more straightforward to throw away 95% of a show and start afresh than it is to simply create a new show. Does it save time negotiating with the stars?


Kristen - Nov 29, 2004 10:48:29 am PST #3097 of 10001

Does it save time negotiating with the stars?

I think it was Fox's way of keeping the chick. Maybe Gail Berman thinks she's hot.


Tom Scola - Nov 29, 2004 10:48:32 am PST #3098 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I would suspect that it's primarily a way to prevent the stars from getting a gig on another network.


Betsy HP - Nov 29, 2004 10:50:12 am PST #3099 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

So, if I sign a contract for "Vineyard" when it's a murder mystery, I have no recourses if the producers turn it into an in-depth story of plastic surgery and pornography?


Polter-Cow - Nov 29, 2004 10:55:10 am PST #3100 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

So, if I sign a contract for "Vineyard" when it's a murder mystery, I have no recourses if the producers turn it into an in-depth story of plastic surgery and pornography?

Nip/Tuck started out as a murder mystery?


Daisy Jane - Nov 29, 2004 10:57:56 am PST #3101 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

It sounds like sort of what happened with Fear and Loathing. I can't remember how that turned out except that Gilliam made a little short in the style of a 50's newsreel about it.