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Kristen - Nov 29, 2004 10:44:05 am PST #3095 of 10001

I think the WGA rules would prolly mean that they get Created by Kessler & Kessler, and devloped by Tim Minear.

So I just went and looked it up. The WGA rules state that you get the credit if you created the format of the series or received a "Written by" or "Story by" credit on the pilot. Neither of these really apply here to the Kesslers. At most, I think it would go to arbitration and they'd find that Tim should get sole credit.

Plus I'll get pissy if they only give him the Developed credit.


Betsy HP - Nov 29, 2004 10:46:58 am PST #3096 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I wonder how the legalities work such that it's more straightforward to throw away 95% of a show and start afresh than it is to simply create a new show. Does it save time negotiating with the stars?


Kristen - Nov 29, 2004 10:48:29 am PST #3097 of 10001

Does it save time negotiating with the stars?

I think it was Fox's way of keeping the chick. Maybe Gail Berman thinks she's hot.


Tom Scola - Nov 29, 2004 10:48:32 am PST #3098 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I would suspect that it's primarily a way to prevent the stars from getting a gig on another network.


Betsy HP - Nov 29, 2004 10:50:12 am PST #3099 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

So, if I sign a contract for "Vineyard" when it's a murder mystery, I have no recourses if the producers turn it into an in-depth story of plastic surgery and pornography?


Polter-Cow - Nov 29, 2004 10:55:10 am PST #3100 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

So, if I sign a contract for "Vineyard" when it's a murder mystery, I have no recourses if the producers turn it into an in-depth story of plastic surgery and pornography?

Nip/Tuck started out as a murder mystery?


Daisy Jane - Nov 29, 2004 10:57:56 am PST #3101 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

It sounds like sort of what happened with Fear and Loathing. I can't remember how that turned out except that Gilliam made a little short in the style of a 50's newsreel about it.


tommyrot - Nov 29, 2004 10:58:01 am PST #3102 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Nip/Tuck started out as a murder mystery?

Plastic surgeons by day, bad plastic surgeons by night.


DCJensen - Nov 29, 2004 10:58:59 am PST #3103 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

So, if I sign a contract for "Vineyard" when it's a murder mystery, I have no recourses if the producers turn it into an in-depth story of plastic surgery and pornography?

I guess it would depend on the wording in the contract.


Ocipital - Nov 29, 2004 11:02:30 am PST #3104 of 10001

So I just went and looked it up. The WGA rules state that you get the credit if you created the format of the series or received a "Written by" or "Story by" credit on the pilot. Neither of these really apply here to the Kesslers.

unfortunately they have those credits on the origional pilot. I'm fairly sure thats the one that ends up counting, regardless of whether it airs or not, remember Tim has a writer credit on the train job, but only Joss 'created' Firefly as he wrote Serenity.

I think all creator credits go to mandatory arbiration, finacially its worth a lot, and the WGA need to prevent studio execs claiming undue credit.

So, if I sign a contract for "Vineyard" when it's a murder mystery, I have no recourses if the producers turn it into an in-depth story of plastic surgery and pornography?

Not really, though plenty of stars have exited contracts, despite producers wishes (eg Charlies Angels). though contracts can and do specify no skin, or how much can be shown.