You know, I just... I woke up, and I looked in the mirror, and I thought, hey, what's with all the sin? I need to change. I'm... I'm dirty. I'm, I'm bad with the... sex and the envy and that, that loud music us kids listen to nowadays.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


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[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


ArcaneJill - Jun 02, 2004 4:54:45 am PDT #123 of 10001
Flames wouldn't be eternal if they actually consumed anything.

Liese, your hair looks amazing!

Product placement: It always annoyed me too when the brands were deliberately hidden or blurred - we all use brands every day, so it's actually more noticeable if a character is drinking "POP"" than a Diet Coke.

On the other hand, anybody see the "Josie and the Pussycats" movie? Intentionally gratuitous over-placement of products everywhere. Too funny.


Liese S. - Jun 02, 2004 5:49:25 am PDT #124 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Hee. Like Wayne's World. Pepsi and Pizza Hut probably did shell out for their self-referential sellout scene. Still funny.

I guess it's like ads on the net. I don't appear to mind Google's text ads because they're relevant to what I'm searching, are text, and are clearly marked as ads. But I mind some of the other search engines ads, because they try to sneak them into my results.

Same thing for television. I know it pays for my entertainment, so it's not as though I want to abolish them. I just want it not to become my entertainment. If you want me to buy your product, create a clever and memorable ad and place it during the break of a show I love. Don't force the show I love to become your clever and memorable ad, because then I won't love it anymore, and will watch neither your show nor your ad.


bon bon - Jun 02, 2004 6:22:41 am PDT #125 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Once upon a time I came so very close to going there. Bought the t-shirt, etc. Then changed my mind. I tend to do that. Can you tell us what the 47 means or is it a secret you have to take to the grave?

Good lord, no. A stats prof did a joke proof in the 60s proving that all numbers equalled 47. At the same time a couple students started counting the 47s around campus, which looked like they occurred more frequently. It's been a persistent inside joke ever since. 47 is the real campus mascot. An article on the history of the phenomenon. I just found out that 47 was included on intellivision game boxes, too. We're so goofy.

For some reason I like the Ford trucks in 24-- they are so muscular; they look different and neat-- but the GMs in Matrix Reloaded bothered me. A cadillac? Please.


Tomanta - Jun 02, 2004 6:45:00 am PDT #126 of 10001
"It's clever and unexpected!" "But that's not why people watch TV. Clever makes them feel stupid, and unexpected makes them feel scared!"

Re: Product Placement.

The worst I ever saw was in a mid-season 3 episode of Alias. They are chasing someone, enter a parking lot and the person they are chasing drives off. Sidney yells "Get the Ford F150!". [never mind that the position of the truck made it a poor choice for a chase vehicle... too much time taken to get it and get it out].

But wait, that's not all. There's a good 5-10 second static shot of the "Ford F150" label on the truck before it drives off. That's where I got annoyed.

And I'm reminded of an episode of Futurama... "And Oscar nominees for best product placement are... Star Trek: The Pepsi Generation, They Call Me Mr. Pibb!, and Snow White and the 7-Up!"


§ ita § - Jun 02, 2004 6:46:35 am PDT #127 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

See, if a) the car had been in a sensible place, and b) they'd called it either "the Ford" or "the F150," it might have sounded like real life. But real life isn't good enough for ads, is it?


bon bon - Jun 02, 2004 6:49:24 am PDT #128 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

The worst I ever saw was in a mid-season 3 episode of Alias. They are chasing someone, enter a parking lot and the person they are chasing drives off. Sidney yells "Get the Ford F150!".

God, yes, I remember that. Because it's so common for people to say "Ford F150" rather than, I dunno, "the truck." And you're gonna want one of those in a parking garage, with its tight turning radius and easy maneuverability.


§ ita § - Jun 02, 2004 6:53:23 am PDT #129 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

When I was in Detroit, they'd certainly say "the F150" or less likely "the Ford," or perhaps "the Ford truck."

Brand names were all up in the conversation. However, "the Ford F150" implies that Chevy has an F150, and you don't want to get that one instead. It's like calling a close friend by first and last name the whole time.


bon bon - Jun 02, 2004 6:55:23 am PDT #130 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

If you're talking about a specific truck distinguished from other trucks, yeah. But if you're talking about a truck distinguished from all the other cars, then go truck. Vote truck.

The word has no meaning anymore.


tommyrot - Jun 02, 2004 6:56:46 am PDT #131 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Brand names were all up in the conversation. However, "the Ford F150" implies that Chevy has an F150, and you don't want to get that one instead.

Toyota wanted to call their big pickup truck the T150, but Ford asked them not to. I guess they're sensitive about the 150 thing.


§ ita § - Jun 02, 2004 6:59:01 am PDT #132 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If you're talking about a specific truck distinguished from other trucks, yeah.

NSM with the groups I hung out with. The cars were pretty much always named like that. It could be the only gas-powered vehicle in ten miles, and we'd be getting into the 325. Just never the BMW 325i.