Everybody dies, Tracey. Someone's carrying a bullet for you right now, doesn't even know it. The trick is to die of old age before it finds you.

Mal ,'The Message'


Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

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Connie Neil - May 19, 2004 6:45:06 pm PDT #845 of 3531
brillig

OK, time to be in the minority. I'm incredibly disappointed in this ending. I despise the Butch and Sundance ending of them roaring off into hopeless battle. Dudes, it's not hopeless until you show me their dead and dusty bodies. I'm a big girl, I can deal with Angel getting dusted.

I don't buy Harmony's sudden betrayal. "But you don't have a soul." Um, so? I kept waiting for it to be a double-double cross, with Harmony misleading Hamilton. The whole "You're betraying me now!" bit just felt very artificial, as if they were putting on a show to lure Hamilton into something stupid.

Wes had an OK death. Not a good death. Once again, his grand gesture is wasted. I knew Illyria would morph to Fred--and it was still a lie.

Connor, for once, was very cool. I was very pleased to see him. "You drop by for coffe and the world's not ending? Please."

I was not expecting Lorne to shoot Lindsay. I think it was Angel's order and the final straw. Lorne's reading of Lindsay may have been the impetus to for Lorne to agree with it, but I don't think Lorne would commit murder as his own idea. Why else would Angel be so insisting on Lorne being there? For the high note of MacArthur Park? Though Lindsay's death is pleasantly nihilistic, if you like that sort of thing. Which I don't.

Spike at the poetry slam, finally getting some respect. That was nice, and completely took me by surprise.

They deserved better. Fuck you, WB. At least now I no longer have to watch your stupid commercials.


PenDuffy - May 19, 2004 6:45:35 pm PDT #846 of 3531
I need a new tagline.. submissions are accepted.

Wow I am simply amazed. That was a good episode. I was crying like a baby during Wes death. I am struck that this as a final episode was better (at least for me) then it was with Buffy's last year. Perhaps thats because its the FINAL.

I still feel sad though but it was a good end.

(I am bummed though Boston WB did not show the grr at the end not even a visual)


Polter-Cow - May 19, 2004 6:49:09 pm PDT #847 of 3531
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I despise the Butch and Sundance ending of them roaring off into hopeless battle. Dudes, it's not hopeless until you show me their dead and dusty bodies.

Exactly. In my world, Angel kills the dragon, and it falls and smashes all the demons and they win.


quester - May 19, 2004 6:50:24 pm PDT #848 of 3531
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

However - all this talk about Lorne reading people has me wondering: Since Lorne has read Angel, why would Lorne need to tell Angel not to look for him if Angel is supposedly going to die during the Big Battle? Does Lorne saying that mean that Angel survives?

I thought Lorne meant he wasn't going to be there for the last fight. He was done with Angel, period. was my thinking.


Connie Neil - May 19, 2004 6:54:32 pm PDT #849 of 3531
brillig

In my world, Angel kills the dragon, and it falls and smashes all the demons and they win.

Ah, that's the unsophisticated way of thinking, P-C.

A hero's death should be heroic. Numero Cinco taught us that. Sure, noble battle against impossible odds is heroic, no question of that. But, come on, a horde of demons. Where's the supreme, overwhelming power about that? It's not grand enough, even with a dragon.

edit: though I'm rather fond of being unsophisticated, by the way.


RobertH - May 19, 2004 6:58:57 pm PDT #850 of 3531
Disaffected college student

Gnuh.

No words.

Okay, just a handful: Amy Acker plays grief-as-immortal-rage very well.

Sleep now.


quester - May 19, 2004 7:00:30 pm PDT #851 of 3531
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

oy, I must go to bed, I must! Good night, wee Buffistas! We'll still be here tommorrow, right? Right?


Polter-Cow - May 19, 2004 7:07:30 pm PDT #852 of 3531
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

But, come on, a horde of demons. Where's the supreme, overwhelming power about that? It's not grand enough, even with a dragon.

Did you see the gigantic, lumbering, shadowy figure behind the horde of demons, its head higher than the dragon's altitude?

In my mind, that's one of the Senior Partners.


dcp - May 19, 2004 7:09:51 pm PDT #853 of 3531
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

They say, "Always leave them wanting more," and ME did a good job of that tonight. A nice episode, but for me not a great one. It felt more like a season finale than a series finale. Lots of small moments I liked, all of them listed already. A few nits to pick, but I think I'll leave them alone.

I didn't see Angel-bites-Hamilton coming, it was an excellent idea. I just wish that the bite and bloodsucking alone had been enough to do the job, so that we would have gotten to see Hamilton do an orgasm-face.


Stephanie - May 19, 2004 7:11:10 pm PDT #854 of 3531
Trust my rage

Well - much of this has already been said, but...

I liked the way each story ended.

I loved the poetry slam and how Spike's poem went full circle.

I hated Connor before, but I'm content with how he and Angel left it.

I'm sad Wes died, but he had nothing left to live for and I loved the symmetry.

Loved the HoYay.

I didn't like the group in the alley last 30 seconds, but I can live with it because I thought the ending of each individual line was so great.

I'm so sad it's over, but I'm happy with how it ended. I feel like the fact that I looved the finale makes it a bit more bearable that it's over. It ended well.

Oh, and that message from WB? Was crap.