Lorne: My little prince. Oh…what did they do to you? Angel: Nina…tried to…eat me. Lorne: Oh, you're--medic! You're gonna make it Angel. Just don't stop fighting. Doctor! Is there a Gepetto in the house?

'Smile Time'


Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

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Vortex - Mar 04, 2005 7:41:32 am PST #3447 of 3531
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I didn't look. Does the nose come off?

I think the nose is too big.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 04, 2005 8:00:49 am PST #3448 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Probably not -- do the clothes even come off?

I didn't look. Does the nose come off?

I'd laugh if the nose came off but the clothes didn't. Talk about not conforming to DB.


beathen - Mar 04, 2005 9:34:17 am PST #3449 of 3531
Sure I went over to the Dark Side, but just to pick up a few things.

I was just sent an email from a member of the English department at Southern Connecticut State University who wrote a paper on Illyria & Post-Modernism in Angel . The article is here: She’s Unpredictable:Illyria and the Liberating Potential of Chaotic Postmodern Identity


victor infante - Mar 04, 2005 9:42:10 am PST #3450 of 3531
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Continued from the Buffy 4 Thread, as I don't have time to linger:

Then (on an opposite note) was it you who suggested that AMENDS was essentially the first episode of ANGEL the series?

Actually, I think that was me, and I stand by it.


P.M. Marc - Mar 04, 2005 9:45:02 am PST #3451 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I think Anne was more the first episode than Amends, even though Angel hasn't yet fallen naked from the sky at that point.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 04, 2005 9:46:26 am PST #3452 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Actually, I think that was me, and I stand by it.

Damn. 0 for 2 on the poster recall. Damn. Still a damn good analysis, and you're right to stand by it.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 04, 2005 9:47:16 am PST #3453 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

When did you two stop sharing a brain?


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 04, 2005 9:51:38 am PST #3454 of 3531
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Interesting stuff, although I think she attributes the remnants of Fred's personality with far more influence on Illyria than the show supports, particularly concerning "The Girl in Question." While there were glimmers of Illyria adopting some of its host's fondness for Wesley and Gunn, it wasn't puttering around the lab and eating tacos as a way to explore Fred's identity. It adopted her appearance and behavior for a specific purpose: manipulating the emotions of the Burkels and sparing itself unpleasantness with the least possible effort. I think the gesture was also a useful demonstration of power over Wesley shortly after he disparaged its remaining abilities.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 04, 2005 9:53:56 am PST #3455 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Oh, Matt's note brought forth something to continue the "heartbreaking moments in the 'verse" discussion:

Change back; be blue.

With my luck today, someone already posted that one in the Buffy thread.


victor infante - Mar 04, 2005 9:58:53 am PST #3456 of 3531
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

When did you two stop sharing a brain?

We haven't. "Anne" marked the stylistic beginning, introducing the more "Real World" of Buffyverse!Los Angeles (If LA can ever be said to be "real world") whereas "Amends" marked the beginning of Angel's next journey, his proper search for redemption and the flat-out admission that higher powers were actively involved in his life.