H'm. I'd forgotten the Buffybot. And he cuffed Buffy herself. Though he also let her beat the holy crap out of him. Can one be physically a top and a completely emotionally submissive love's bitch at the same time?
Whoa! I... I think I'm having a thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a thought. Now I'm having a plan. Now I'm having a wiggins.
Xander ,'First Date'
Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?
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JZ - Feb 16, 2005 5:01:26 pm PST #3304 of 3531
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 16, 2005 6:56:31 pm PST #3305 of 3531
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
The terms can apply either to physical position or dom/sub dynamics, and the two aren't always synonymous.
I don't see Angel as a bottom in either sense of the word, but that may have as much to do with my impression of Lindsey as with Angel himself.
Vortex - Feb 17, 2005 6:22:53 am PST #3306 of 3531
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Angel is a bottom. Angelus is a top. Spike is a bottom who thinks he's a top
CLASSIC.
Maybe a bottom who wishes he were a top.
also true
I think that lindsey would be a top, because he would want to be in control, which he never was. I don't know that Angel would let him, though. But maybe if he were feeling the need to be punished . . .
Dana - Feb 17, 2005 6:25:08 am PST #3307 of 3531
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Oh, Lindsey is such a bottom.
Steph L. - Feb 17, 2005 7:56:56 am PST #3308 of 3531
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
Angelus is a top. Spike is a bottom who thinks he's a top
Which is why Angelus + Spike is pure porn, baby.
An awful lot of Jossverse guys are bottoms. Interesting.
Though Wesley, I'm thinking, is a top who thinks he should be a bottom, which is far rarer than a bottom who thinks he's a top.
brenda m - Feb 17, 2005 7:58:43 am PST #3309 of 3531
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
I can see Angel, as opposed to Angelus, taking a sub role, but there'd be a fair amount of topping from below going on.
Calli - Feb 17, 2005 9:27:04 am PST #3310 of 3531
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
An awful lot of Jossverse guys are bottoms. Interesting.
I'd say Giles is a top. Gunn's a top who'd probably bottom for someone he was really gaga over. Xander -- so bottomly bottom a bottom has never before bottomed.
Fred Pete - Feb 17, 2005 9:31:08 am PST #3311 of 3531
Ann, that's a ferret.
so bottomly bottom a bottom has never before bottomed.
Actually, that would be Lorne.
Betsy HP - Feb 17, 2005 9:35:09 am PST #3312 of 3531
If I only had a brain...
Lorne is a queen, but that's not the same thing necessarily.
§ ita § - Feb 17, 2005 9:37:02 am PST #3313 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I can see Lorne in the leather with a whip no problem. Nipple clamps in one hand, seabreeze in the other.