Angel is a bottom. Angelus is a top. Spike is a bottom who thinks he's a top.
Death is your art. You make it with your hands day after day. That final gasp, that look of peace. And part of you is desperate to know: What's it like? Where does it lead you? And now you see, that's the secret. Not the punch you didn't throw or the kicks you didn't land. She really wanted it. Every Slayer has a death wish. Even you.
Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'
Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?
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Fred Pete - Feb 16, 2005 4:42:31 pm PST #3301 of 3531
Ann, that's a ferret.
JZ - Feb 16, 2005 4:48:25 pm PST #3302 of 3531
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
Spike is a bottom who thinks he's a top.
I dunno. Someone who goes around calling himself "love's bitch" doesn't strike me as a guy with a lot of illusions about his topness.
eta: Or is it "toppitude"? "toposity"?
Fred Pete - Feb 16, 2005 4:57:08 pm PST #3303 of 3531
Ann, that's a ferret.
But it also isn't easy to think of a Spike who'd have the Buffybot moan, "You're the Big Bad!" as someone who'd take a submissive role.
Maybe a bottom who wishes he were a top.
JZ - Feb 16, 2005 5:01:26 pm PST #3304 of 3531
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
H'm. I'd forgotten the Buffybot. And he cuffed Buffy herself. Though he also let her beat the holy crap out of him. Can one be physically a top and a completely emotionally submissive love's bitch at the same time?
Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 16, 2005 6:56:31 pm PST #3305 of 3531
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
The terms can apply either to physical position or dom/sub dynamics, and the two aren't always synonymous.
I don't see Angel as a bottom in either sense of the word, but that may have as much to do with my impression of Lindsey as with Angel himself.
Vortex - Feb 17, 2005 6:22:53 am PST #3306 of 3531
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Angel is a bottom. Angelus is a top. Spike is a bottom who thinks he's a top
CLASSIC.
Maybe a bottom who wishes he were a top.
also true
I think that lindsey would be a top, because he would want to be in control, which he never was. I don't know that Angel would let him, though. But maybe if he were feeling the need to be punished . . .
Dana - Feb 17, 2005 6:25:08 am PST #3307 of 3531
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."
Oh, Lindsey is such a bottom.
Steph L. - Feb 17, 2005 7:56:56 am PST #3308 of 3531
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
Angelus is a top. Spike is a bottom who thinks he's a top
Which is why Angelus + Spike is pure porn, baby.
An awful lot of Jossverse guys are bottoms. Interesting.
Though Wesley, I'm thinking, is a top who thinks he should be a bottom, which is far rarer than a bottom who thinks he's a top.
brenda m - Feb 17, 2005 7:58:43 am PST #3309 of 3531
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
I can see Angel, as opposed to Angelus, taking a sub role, but there'd be a fair amount of topping from below going on.
Calli - Feb 17, 2005 9:27:04 am PST #3310 of 3531
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
An awful lot of Jossverse guys are bottoms. Interesting.
I'd say Giles is a top. Gunn's a top who'd probably bottom for someone he was really gaga over. Xander -- so bottomly bottom a bottom has never before bottomed.