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Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

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§ ita § - Jan 11, 2005 2:17:12 pm PST #3136 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think age is a squick, unless one party is too young. I don't believe in too old, but I do believe in inappropriate interactions, and those have to do with relationships rather than age differences.

Also, Angel didn't act as old as Giles.


Steph L. - Jan 11, 2005 2:21:39 pm PST #3137 of 3531
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

And yet, Giles/Xander? Not squicky at all.

Though I get that Giles really only had a quasi-parental relationship with Buffy. (I just wanted to see "Giles/Xander" on my screen.)


§ ita § - Jan 11, 2005 2:24:02 pm PST #3138 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Giles really only had a quasi-parental relationship with Buffy

If she'd had a father in place, I could agree with the "only" and the "quasi." As it played out, he was more like a stepfather that just never had a Relationship with her mother, I think.


Beverly - Jan 11, 2005 2:25:13 pm PST #3139 of 3531
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

The thing is, Giles isn't and never was Buffy's father. And someday, she's going to be 30, 35, and the gap between a mature woman and an older man is not going to be as wide as it is between a teenager or young 20s and an older man.

And they have much in common, much that no one else on earth knows or shares, a uniquely shared POV in many cases.

Honestly--and I don't lay this out often because it's not the popular view on the board--slash simply for the novelty or the manipulation factor squicks me far more than an age gap. I think the age squick belongs to a very young POV. The squick isn't wrong, it's just one end of a spectrum. The other end runs to, as in toward, or perhaps through, pairings or groupings of entities regardless of species, gender, age, number of appendages, or lack thereof. And physical sex is (a very hot and enjoyable, granted) only a single way of expressing a multitude of emotional states.

Hrm. Sorry. Rant over.


brenda m - Jan 11, 2005 2:25:38 pm PST #3140 of 3531
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I think Steph's "only" was meaning yes-with-Buffy, no-with-the-others, rather than a qualifier on the B/G relationship. Or am I reading that wrong?


Topic!Cindy - Jan 11, 2005 2:28:14 pm PST #3141 of 3531
What is even happening?

It's because of the type of relationship they've had, that it squicks me. Giles was an authority figure over Buffy (as well as a father type, and that, granted is a squick for me too, but that's not because of age, it's because of roles), and for him to get romantically entangled with her takes away something lovely from his character that I don't want to go missing.


Steph L. - Jan 11, 2005 2:29:32 pm PST #3142 of 3531
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I think Steph's "only" was meaning yes-with-Buffy, no-with-the-others, rather than a qualifier on the B/G relationship. Or am I reading that wrong?

You are reading it right.


Steph L. - Jan 11, 2005 2:29:38 pm PST #3143 of 3531
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

But I didn't need to say it twice.


§ ita § - Jan 11, 2005 2:29:46 pm PST #3144 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Or am I reading that wrong?

Could be, could be.

::poises for retraction::

But the rest of the point stands -- he's all the father she's got, usefully, and she need[s/ed] him so much that way that I think anything groiny would be inappropriate -- for a REALLY long time.

Again, it's so not the age gap.


SailAweigh - Jan 11, 2005 2:31:07 pm PST #3145 of 3531
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I don't mind post-Chosen B/G, because by then Buffy has pretty much ripped the bonds of "authority figure" out of Giles hands and thrown them to the wind. But high school or even early college age B/G doesn't feel right to me.