You walk in worlds the others can't begin to imagine.

Drusilla ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

[NAFDA] This is where we talk about the show! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Steph L. - Jan 11, 2005 2:29:38 pm PST #3143 of 3531
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

But I didn't need to say it twice.


§ ita § - Jan 11, 2005 2:29:46 pm PST #3144 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Or am I reading that wrong?

Could be, could be.

::poises for retraction::

But the rest of the point stands -- he's all the father she's got, usefully, and she need[s/ed] him so much that way that I think anything groiny would be inappropriate -- for a REALLY long time.

Again, it's so not the age gap.


SailAweigh - Jan 11, 2005 2:31:07 pm PST #3145 of 3531
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I don't mind post-Chosen B/G, because by then Buffy has pretty much ripped the bonds of "authority figure" out of Giles hands and thrown them to the wind. But high school or even early college age B/G doesn't feel right to me.


Jessica - Jan 11, 2005 2:32:06 pm PST #3146 of 3531
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Beverly speaks for me. Buffy/Giles set anywhere during the course of the show is squicky because she's both underage and his student. Buffy/Giles in the future doesn't even make my squickometer flutter.

[edited to correct for B-names]


§ ita § - Jan 11, 2005 2:33:00 pm PST #3147 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Betsy speaks for me.

Beverly, I'm assuming.


Beverly - Jan 11, 2005 2:33:40 pm PST #3148 of 3531
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I think I just know a couple of May/December, December/May relationships that work, that have a fascinating dynamic that I'd wish on other people I care about. It seems to me that neither Buffy nor Giles ever had much chance for peace and a quiet contentment when they weren't on task. And I see, years on, that they could give that to each other, provide a safe haven for each other, a we know exactly what sort of wolf howls outside the door but for here and now, this is magic and this is us.

I'm not explaining well. Suffice it to say that the relationship--ten years on, or so--has never bothered me, and for the characters who won my heart, I've imagined it and wished it for them. But my heart and mind are not yours, and you need to wish and imagine your own endings and continuings.

I'll just be dreaming in the corner.


§ ita § - Jan 11, 2005 2:34:50 pm PST #3149 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Buffy/Giles set anywhere during the course of the show is squicky because she's both underage and his student.

But there are points during the show when she's neither. Not a student, not being Watched by him, not underaged. Does it still squick you then?

And is the underage only important in combination with the student (since she was underaged with Angel)?


Jessica - Jan 11, 2005 2:37:39 pm PST #3150 of 3531
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

"Underage" meaning "not an adult," rather than the strictly legal sense. I wouldn't consider S7 Buffy a child, but I wouldn't consider her an adult, either.

Of course, I was always pretty squicked by Buffy/Angel, too -- someone 200+ having the hots for a teenager is not my idea of romance.

(And edited above. Sorry Beverly!)


Topic!Cindy - Jan 11, 2005 2:38:07 pm PST #3151 of 3531
What is even happening?

I think I just know a couple of May/December, December/May relationships that work, that have a fascinating dynamic that I'd wish on other people I care about.
I have no problem with May/December in general, just particular ones, and this pings those problems for me. I would be less squicked by Willow/Giles than Buffy/Giles. Tara/Giles or Anya/Giles wouldn't have squicked me at all.


Beverly - Jan 11, 2005 2:39:35 pm PST #3152 of 3531
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

'S fine. And thanks. I'm always a bit reluctant to go against the prevailing squick, so it's good to know I'm not the only one lacking it.