Oh, wow. This place looks great. Oh, I feel like a witch in a magic shop.

Willow ,'Help'


Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

[NAFDA] This is where we talk about the show! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Sean K - Dec 09, 2004 3:27:06 pm PST #2626 of 3531
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Doyle, Wes and Fred were the only ones that really hurt for me.


Cass - Dec 09, 2004 3:48:36 pm PST #2627 of 3531
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Wes hurt at the time but since it was the last ep, I never got to really feel that pain. There was a wound but no salt poured into it or anything.

Lilah was a character I missed more than I ever expected.

And I never realized how much I didn't like Fred until AA was playing Illyria . Which is heresy but means I didn't really mourn much.


Zenkitty - Dec 09, 2004 4:36:00 pm PST #2628 of 3531
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I got sniffly over all of them. Except for Holland and Gavin. I didn't even like Fred much, but her dying broke my heart. I'm even sad over the last four deaths we didn't see, that I'm almost sure happened.

NO MORE DYING.


§ ita § - Dec 09, 2004 4:50:10 pm PST #2629 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Did I miss a Darla death?


sumi - Dec 09, 2004 4:52:11 pm PST #2630 of 3531
Art Crawl!!!

You know -- in the 1600s when the Master turned her. I know it isn't surprising -- but I bet it was in Sweeps.

(Well, yeah, cause it was the same night as FFL -- but the William to Spike death probably doesn't count either -- even though that was in sweeps too.)

Hey -- so the origin stories of major vampires happen in sweeps too and also involve a death.


Stephanie - Dec 09, 2004 4:52:51 pm PST #2631 of 3531
Trust my rage

1) Her original death in the flashback
2) Drusilla sires Darla
3) Darla stakes self

4) Angel stakes Darla (on Buffy)


§ ita § - Dec 09, 2004 4:55:06 pm PST #2632 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I was mostly thinking of the deaths that Joss gives us that make us think he's a sick bastard, and we're not healthy for loving them so. That's why, since we already knew that Angel and his brood had a death behind them, they didn't quite count as audience abuse.

Of course, not everyone stayed dead, but I was wondering about how often we were dealt that feeling of loss. Which flashback kinda obviates.


Stephanie - Dec 09, 2004 4:56:19 pm PST #2633 of 3531
Trust my rage

Darla's first death was really just filling in the details, but it didn't have the gut-wrenching HSQ factor to it.


Holli - Dec 09, 2004 5:52:00 pm PST #2634 of 3531
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Fred, Doyle, Cordy, and Wes.

Man, Angel, way to get your sidekicks killed.

...suddenly, all the Batman jokes make a lot more sense.


Lilty Cash - Dec 09, 2004 7:09:31 pm PST #2635 of 3531
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

Wes hurt at the time but since it was the last ep, I never got to really feel that pain. There was a wound but no salt poured into it or anything.

I feel the same way, but it's funny. Since Wes spent so little time of the series dead (10-15 minutes?), it's easy to forget it happens. But it hits me now and then and makes me sad.

As overwraught as the Fred thing was, I bought into every second of it and cried like a big fat sap through 2 whole episodes. I wouldn't have minded Cordy's death much if she'd flat out died at the end of S4. Or S3. But You're Welcome (right?) brought back the very best Cordelia, making the revelation at the end allergy-inducing.