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Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?

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P.M. Marc - Sep 26, 2004 3:41:10 pm PDT #2453 of 3531

So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

1x17, Eternity. Though, as Wesley said:

Angel, you must listen to me. What you're experiencing is not genuine. You've been fed a drug. It's simulating bliss. All that you're feeling is really just chemical suggestion."

So, in his mind, I expect that flash was merely Angelus Lite.

Gandalfe - Sep 26, 2004 4:20:38 pm PDT #2454 of 3531

The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Yeah, I thought it was fairly well established that that WASN'T actually Angelus, any more than if I took a lot (I mean, a lot a lot) of acid and thought I was a wizard from Middle Earth, I'd actually be able to do spells.

Topic!Cindy - Sep 26, 2004 4:27:58 pm PDT #2455 of 3531

What is even happening?

Oh...that explains your e, Gandalfe.

DCJensen - Sep 26, 2004 4:28:19 pm PDT #2456 of 3531

All is well that ends in pizza.

It was Angelus, alright. But he wasn't at full strength. The drug knocked out the conscious mind of Angel and let Angelus take over the body to a great degree.

Gandalfe - Sep 26, 2004 4:31:12 pm PDT #2457 of 3531

The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Oh...that explains your e, Gandalfe.

Exactly. Lots of acid coupled with a long walk in a spoooooooky canyon.

P.M. Marc - Sep 26, 2004 4:31:46 pm PDT #2458 of 3531

So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

It was Angelus, alright. But he wasn't at full strength. The drug knocked out the conscious mind of Angel and let Angelus take over the body to a great degree.

That's not exactly what canon tells us.

Lee - Sep 26, 2004 4:31:51 pm PDT #2459 of 3531

The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I don't think it was established that it wasn't Angelus, only that it was temporary. DruggedAngel believed he was Angelus, was looking to do some damage, and had the tools needed to do that damage.

Gandalfe - Sep 26, 2004 4:32:45 pm PDT #2460 of 3531

The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

It was Angelus, alright. But he wasn't at full strength. The drug knocked out the conscious mind of Angel and let Angelus take over the body to a great degree.

Does that mean then that whenever Angel is asleep, it's really Angelus?

P.M. Marc - Sep 26, 2004 4:33:26 pm PDT #2461 of 3531

So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I don't think it was established that it wasn't Angelus, only that it was temporary.

Between what was said in the aired show, and what we seen in the script that I can't remember if it aired or not, the strong impression given is that it was simulated Angelus.

DCJensen - Sep 26, 2004 4:35:43 pm PDT #2462 of 3531

All is well that ends in pizza.

No, I meant the episode indicated it was a euphoria brought on by the drug that temporarily let Angelus control Angel's body. I guess that's what I meant by "knocked out his conscious mind."

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