I don't think it was established that it wasn't Angelus, only that it was temporary. DruggedAngel believed he was Angelus, was looking to do some damage, and had the tools needed to do that damage.
All right, yes, date and shop and hang out and go to school and save the world from unspeakable demons. You know, I wanna do girlie stuff!
Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'
Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?
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Lee - Sep 26, 2004 4:31:51 pm PDT #2459 of 3531
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Gandalfe - Sep 26, 2004 4:32:45 pm PDT #2460 of 3531
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.
It was Angelus, alright. But he wasn't at full strength. The drug knocked out the conscious mind of Angel and let Angelus take over the body to a great degree.
Does that mean then that whenever Angel is asleep, it's really Angelus?
P.M. Marc - Sep 26, 2004 4:33:26 pm PDT #2461 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I don't think it was established that it wasn't Angelus, only that it was temporary.
Between what was said in the aired show, and what we seen in the script that I can't remember if it aired or not, the strong impression given is that it was simulated Angelus.
DCJensen - Sep 26, 2004 4:35:43 pm PDT #2462 of 3531
All is well that ends in pizza.
No, I meant the episode indicated it was a euphoria brought on by the drug that temporarily let Angelus control Angel's body. I guess that's what I meant by "knocked out his conscious mind."
Topic!Cindy - Sep 26, 2004 4:35:44 pm PDT #2463 of 3531
What is even happening?
I don't think it was established that it wasn't Angelus, only that it was temporary. DruggedAngel believed he was Angelus, was looking to do some damage, and had the tools needed to do that damage.
I start with a different premise, but come to the same conclusion (or basically, I'm with Plei wrt canon).
Or, this is how I think it goes: Angel did not experience true happiness. He experienced pharmaceutical (and therefore not "true") bliss. The drugs didn't remove his remorse, they knocked it unconscious, so Angel basically felt the way he feels when he is sans soul.
Lee - Sep 26, 2004 4:36:06 pm PDT #2464 of 3531
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Ah. I didn't see the script.
Was simulated Angelus necessarily weaker than "real" Angelus?
DCJensen - Sep 26, 2004 4:37:41 pm PDT #2465 of 3531
All is well that ends in pizza.
I just never got the impression anywhere that it was Angel thinking he was Angelus.
Topic!Cindy - Sep 26, 2004 4:39:34 pm PDT #2466 of 3531
What is even happening?
Not even from what Wesley said to him, and not even from the fact that when the drug wore off, Angel had his soul (which indicates he never lost it)?
DCJensen - Sep 26, 2004 4:43:32 pm PDT #2467 of 3531
All is well that ends in pizza.
What I got from the episode was that it supressed Angel, and let Angelus through.
I may have to rewatch, because I'm clearly off my rocker in remembering this episode.
Topic!Cindy - Sep 26, 2004 4:48:13 pm PDT #2468 of 3531
What is even happening?
Well, I don't know that there's a big difference, between letting Angelus through, and thinking he's Angelus.
As far as I can interpret canon, Angel and Angelus are one in the same. There is only Liam. Liam was vamped, which made him lose his soul. As a vampire, he went by the name Angelus. Then, the Gypsies restored Liam's soul to his undead body. He felt remorse. He started going by the name Angel. If undeal Liam with-a-soul is ever completely happy (stops feeling the weight of his guilt, even for a moment), undead Liam will lose his soul. It happened once, and Willow, once again, restored his soul.
Undead Liam with-a-soul was drugged with an agent that makes him feel bliss. He didn't lose his soul, but he felt pretty much the same as when he is without a soul. The soul is that which allows him to feel remorse, and interestingly, if he stops feeling the remorse, he forfeits the soul, immediately.
Or something.