I want to know the story of how Drogyn and Hamilton know each other. I'm hoping that it is a centuries-old struggle of grief and pain, detailing Marcus' descent into evil and not that they were both at the same craps table in Vegas a few years ago and realized that they had similar taste in apocalypses.

Polter, if we use the patent connection Angel and Lindsey had in "Dead End" as the model for their relationship, who else is he gonna kill?

Angel's all he has.

I want to know the story of how Drogyn and Hamilton know each other. I'm hoping that it is a centuries-old struggle of grief and pain, detailing Marcus' descent into evil

Me too. That they know each other is very interesting, and there's not enough time to follow up on it. Goddammit.

who else is he gonna kill?

Um...he brings Darla back in a box so he can kill her.

he brings Darla back in a box so he can kill her.

It's not Darla he wants to screw.

I think the reason Angel needed to kill one of his people to get into the Black Thorn because he was so widely known as a good guy. Killing Fred is Angel's initial proof that he's switched sides and is no longer a champion for good.

My working theory about Lindsey is that he was trying to prove himself more worthy of the SP's notice than Angel, and killing Angel was the best way he could think of to do that. (I'm also assuming that Lindsey had a bunch of other, better plans, which he discarded in favor of the plan that included killing Angel.)

I'm hoping that it is a centuries-old struggle of grief and pain, detailing Marcus' descent into evil and not that they were both at the same craps table in Vegas a few years ago and realized that they had similar taste in apocalypses.

Can't it be both?

I'm also assuming that Lindsey had a bunch of other, better plans, which he discarded in favor of the plan that included killing Angel.

It would be in character ...

he was trying to prove himself more worthy of the SP's notice than Angel, and killing Angel was the best way he could think of to do that

In this scenario, is Lindsey's goal to get on the Senior Partners' good side? Because they want Angel alive. That is, undead.

Can't it be both?

You mean like, they both forgot they fought together at the second crusade and only remembered that they had after the fistfight outside Caesar's Palace restored some of the memories?

I'm assuming that Marcus was a Roman centurion who invaded druid Drogan's homeland and they fought terrible battles before making deals with separate dark powers.

I'm also assuming that we would never have gotten any more backstory on their relationship than that one line, because throwaway lines are useful in bringing the illusion of depth to world-building.

My best guess on Lindsey's plan is that although he wasn't willing to play W&H's game to get power, he was willing to be high up in the chain.

And he just wanted to kill Angel because he luvs him.