Can't it be both?
You mean like, they both forgot they fought together at the second crusade and only remembered that they had after the fistfight outside Caesar's Palace restored some of the memories?
Anya: Are you stupid or something? Giles: Allow me to answer that question with a firing.
'Sleeper'
Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?
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JohnSweden - May 13, 2004 12:02:44 pm PDT #133 of 3531
I can't even.
Micole - May 13, 2004 12:10:20 pm PDT #134 of 3531
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.
I'm assuming that Marcus was a Roman centurion who invaded druid Drogan's homeland and they fought terrible battles before making deals with separate dark powers.
I'm also assuming that we would never have gotten any more backstory on their relationship than that one line, because throwaway lines are useful in bringing the illusion of depth to world-building.
Dana - May 13, 2004 12:13:47 pm PDT #135 of 3531
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
My best guess on Lindsey's plan is that although he wasn't willing to play W&H's game to get power, he was willing to be high up in the chain.
And he just wanted to kill Angel because he luvs him.
DCJensen - May 13, 2004 12:30:05 pm PDT #136 of 3531
All is well that ends in pizza.
What if It wasn't Drogyn that Angel "killed?"
What if it was Illrya with a shape shifting?
Although one would have to figure out the Illrya being two people when Hamilton came to call.
Oh, and Lorne was raising his hand when they switched to Glamor!View™ to show Hamilton's POV.
victor infante - May 13, 2004 12:51:01 pm PDT #137 of 3531
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Do we know anything about the MoG's contracts with W&H?
Is there a perpetuity clause? Lilah said they were "standard."
Kalshane - May 13, 2004 12:53:41 pm PDT #138 of 3531
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
We have no way of knowing for sure, but I like the idea that Lindsey was looking to do what Angel did and for the same reasons.
I also agree with the Apocalypse being a long-term thing, not a "Oh my God, the world's going to end tomorrow." sort of deal. Especially if Demon!Senator is planning to become President in 2008. Why bother if you're also part of the secret society trying to destroy the world next Tuesday?
Polter-Cow - May 13, 2004 12:56:03 pm PDT #139 of 3531
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I forgot about Spike. Lindsey is perfectly free to kill Angel, because the Senior Partners would still have one vampire with a soul. That's what all the business in "Destiny" was about. And the sacrifice, I think, may have been specified to be a hero/warrior, which Angel (and Drogyn) is. Also, killing Angel would prove to the Black Thorn that Lindsey's bad, despite having left Wolfram and Hart.
It's all falling into place. Of course, that place is nowhere near this place.
victor infante - May 13, 2004 12:59:14 pm PDT #140 of 3531
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
also agree with the Apocalypse being a long-term thing, not a "Oh my God, the world's going to end tomorrow." sort of deal.
It's not a fire and brimstone thing. It's the world outside your window, slowly, steaduily going to Hell.
DCJensen - May 13, 2004 1:12:01 pm PDT #141 of 3531
All is well that ends in pizza.
First test screencaps from the episode.
Opinions welcome. I used photoshop to auto level the dark Wes and Spike ones.
Nora Deirdre - May 13, 2004 1:13:17 pm PDT #142 of 3531
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)
It's not a fire and brimstone thing. It's the world outside your window, slowly, steaduily going to Hell.
It surely is, but I don't need a TV show to tell me *that*.